X1 display on a T430?

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  1. thinkpad.techuser

    thinkpad.techuser Notebook Enthusiast

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    If you want to swap one T430s display model for another, that's pretty trivial, and can be done already. Just search for the t430s samsung display FRU, and buy it off the resellers. An X1C display is a much more tricky proposition.
     
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    I was of the impression that the Samsung>LG>>>AUO... It seems you want to downgrade... Interested in knowing why you want to make this move.
     
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    Things are not that clear cut. It is mostly hearsay. Here we hear about screen door, there we hear about graininess, and over there we hear about texts being too small -- while other people dismiss all reports (usually in the form of complaint, which is fine) as "design intent" or "corporate requirement."

    I like or don't like what I personally see and feel. I'd give my personal opinion, based on a tiny sample, should someone ask, but YMMV.
     
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    < nods >

    Spot on. This is why I'd recommend -- unless you have cash to burn -- that you try to test laptop displays in person if it's a big deal to you. I have bought various panels sight unseen in the past, but I wouldn't do so if 1) I couldn't return or re-sell them 2) laptop mods/repairs weren't a hobby of mine.
     
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    I can appreciate those sentiments. This all goes back to eyesight, attention to detail, and then subjective interpretation. BTW my eyesight is 40/20 on the right and 25/20 on the left, so I would be one of the those that (c)would notice the small things... However, I am also one that uses the computer as a tool and takes the full package into consideration. Hence my T430s purchase, knowing that the screen would not likely to wow me... I was just curious about the poster's experience, and what predicated the desire to move to the LG...
     
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    Sorry guys, my post lack information. X1C have a LG display, that's the one I want to swap to.

    The hardest step (for now) is to find a supplier for the display. Then we test and see if it work or need additionnal "tuning". :D

    Ho, and I want to try to swap the screen because. Ba. It sucks. Not so bad that I cannot use the laptop, but I've very good eyes and like precise screen, I found this one a little blurry, verticals angles are annoying (you can't get the same color on every part of the screen at the same time) and the contast when I put the backlight at minimum level is *awful* (which I do a lot as I like work in the dark :)).

    If there were a correct alternative to a light (<2kg), solid, linux-friendly, customisable, ethernet-stuffed, 14 inch or more display (1600 minimum, FHD for 15") with a very good mate screen, with a good keyboard, I'll go for it. But there is none. Or no more. I owned a dell latitude z600 which was near perfect (not so good on the keyboard, but passable) on all of this for a 4 year old laptop, too bad they discontinued them :(
     
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    Had a bit of a breakthrough today, by traveling to a whole bunch of computer stores in sequence, and comparing screens. I did see a slight giddiness on the X1C, it wasnt a uniform screen-door effect, but rather these very subtle but visible vertical lines between pixels. Some rather excellent screenshots of it have been captured in the t430s thread, so yes, T series does have this issue, but, unfortunately so did the X1C I saw. The color, richness, and viewing angles were indeed quite good. Still, at the end of the day, the panel was still not as good as the TN they put into the w530.

    Now, I took this opportunity of having 40+ laptops before me to examine each of their panels. If X1C doesn't turn out to be the most ideal solution, then surely somewhere here I would see better candidates right? Wrong... all of the other 14" laptops were absolutely abhorrent, and some even more so. Yes, thats pretty much the whole PC industry. I didn't get a chance to observe high-end Alienware and Sagers and the like, but all regular-consumer 14" inchers except one absolutely stunk.

    What is this one exception? The Samsung Series 7 14", np700z3b (the store didnt have the IB refresh whose model is np700z3c).

    I opened a thread about it over in the Samsung section (link because we need to find out its panel part num#:



    EDIT: going back to the x1c: from sites like laptopscreen.com we can see that they sell two variants of its panel: glossy and matte. And no one has seen a glossy x1c screen in real life, so its puzzling.

    Then it hit me: maybe the problem isn't with the x1c screen but with the matte coating? The laptop manufacturers probably sit there wondering what the consumers are upset over, while to us it's perfectly self-evident. Could something applied in post-production like the matte coating result in this unpleasant effect?

    Maybe that's why no Mac models suffer, because they never bother to put matte on their screens! If this is true, it follows that if we get a glossy X1C panel (not found on any actual x1c), it may not suffer from griddyness problems.
     
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    ^ I am willing to bet that you're right. In fact the Sony Vaio SA13 was also plagued with the same issue. The overly harsh matte coating created a whole host of problems. Going matte always seems to mean lowered visual fidelity on a screen.

    Going with the glossy X1C screen would probably fix all the problems, but it's just not worth the eye strain from all that glare imo.
     
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    I can attest to that from my experiences with T/W520 AUO FHD (V.4) matte screen and its brother (V.7) glossy screen. The V.7 is much better, and its glossiness is very subtle and minimally reflective.

    Looking at one, right this moment. No glare, no eye strain. :)
     
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    Did you ever own one of the 12.1 WXGA BOE-Hydis AFFS displays? They had a glossy model that sounds like that, and I was wondering how they compared in terms of the glossy/matte difference.
     
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