Windows 8: The Thread

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  1. davepermen

    davepermen Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    it's only essential as long as it's where your apps run.


    taskbar is still there, and is obvious which is why i assumed he means apps that are NOT there.
    for the rest, well, change. hard. always. one or two years from now you will be a) understanding or b) ranting how the old days where so much better, while yourself are getting obsolete and moved away from "where the real work is".

    it's just the start, obviously. there are only few apps there now, and they're close to crap. that'll change. once the apps are on the level of their wp7 apps (mail, calendar, etc) in features, and start to surpass them, suddenly metro will not be "that toy thing", but the real place to be. complexity does not mean that something is better. it usually is useless and not what the end user (and i'm talking business end user here) really wants. you might be special. or just one who needs to embrace change instead of throwing hands in the air "no, that won't ever do for me".

    change. it's hard. especially for the geeks.
     
  2. Pirx

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    No, it's essential to have the option of having multiple application windows present simultaneously. Not all tasks can be done efficiently if all we have is a "one app at a time" single-tasking paradigm.

    Don't be silly, you should be better than this. I repeat, the Metro paradigm of full-screen only apps is not always appropriate. If that's all you need, fine; for me, it's not sufficient. There's a reason why those windowing environments were developed and had so much success.

    Of course not. What you need is the ability to adapt to the task at hand. Trying to force the users into the Metro straitjacket will backfire badly. Which is, of course, not what Microsoft is trying to do. Good thing Dave Permen is not in charge of OS design decisions at Microsoft... :D

    See, those are the kind of over-generalizations with which you disqualify yourself from serious discourse. You should work on that.

    There's all sorts of users. Windows needs to cater to almost all of them.

    No. Anybody who needs to create complex content will be in the same boat as myself. If all you do is browse the web and read your email/maintain your calendar, then things are different, of course. But then you might as well use a Mac... ;)

    I know, but I am trying to watch myself carefully to try and see what changes might actually be beneficial for my work flow. I can see that certain features of the Metro interface may indeed be helpful, and there's no question that on a tablet, it's the way to go. On my "desktop" (which is, of course, driven by a laptop), things are different. Not all the time, but there's a significant portion of my work that does not fit well with the Metro that is in Windows 8.
     
  3. davepermen

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    as i'm typically working fullscreen with 10ns of apps since years. don't tell me it's not possible. and yes, so far, metro switchering of apps works very fast and thus is very usable for doing "real work". there just aren't the apps there yet.

    so no, mostly, it works, but you have a hard time to understand that. others will, and they will use this like you use your setup right now: fluently, natively, and fast.

    move on or don't. guess who will matter in the future? the one who could move on, or the one who was ranting around how much better it all was before.

    but what ever. we'll hear now a lot of ranting how stupid it all is, and in about a year or two, everyone can not understand how one could do it the old way.

    like. every. single. time. before.

    and you know it, because you went trough that every single time before, too.
     
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    You are not addressing my points. Fine, suit yourself, but there's really no point in continuing this discussion then.
     
  5. Baserk

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    Of course it is, from a security pov, just combine it with FUS/Fast User Switching if you mind logging off/logging on into admin and vice-versa.
    Just read the last 4 paragraphs from this Mark Russinovich article, on why running as a LUA or actually SUA; standard user account since the introduction of UAC in Vista, does have benefits from a security pov.
    It's a (mild, imo) trade off between convenience and security of course, you decide what to choose. Perhaps convenience wins in your case.
     
  6. Mitlov

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    Once I start to populate Metro with my own applications, and group them into categories based on how I use them, instead of just looking at the preloaded apps and tablet-like apps, Metro starts to make more sense. It's just like the Start menu, only more graphical and less tiny print.
     
  7. jnjroach

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    I launch most programs the exact way I've done since Vista, hit the Windows Key and start typing the application name and hit enter :)

    I have some classic Apps (Outlook 2010 and Lync 2010) pinned to the taskbar.
     
  8. TheAtreidesHawk

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    But the taskbar needs to be in the metro side of the OS as well. And having to move my mouse all opposite ends of the screen to access different things is just annoying. The left is for switching between windows/apps right? The one to the right brings up the "charms bar" which gives you those 4 options.

    I dunno its gonna take some time to really get even a sense of familiarity with Windows 8 and I'm afraid that I won't even get comfortable with it in a decent amount of time.
     
  9. Mitlov

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    Any way to bypass dragging the entire screen up to start up Windows 8? I've found settings for the three actions AFTER the drag (password, pin, or picture), but the drag itself just doesn't make sense for computers. It does for touch devices but not computers.

    Am I missing the setting to address this?
     
  10. TheAtreidesHawk

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    If I'm understanding you correctly are you talking about the main screen before you login?

    If so you hit Enter it will take you to the login screen right away.

    Hope that helps.
     
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