Why dont other manufactures use intel desktop cpu?

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  1. Danishblunt

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    I have a 9900K CPU in my P775tm @ 7.75ghz on 10c.

    Talk is cheap, isn't it?
     
  2. Reciever

    Reciever D! For Dragon!

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    I have a tablet, My plex server transcodes for it, which is also my laptop. It also transcodes it into smaller footprints for when Im on that flight. Then I can play it directly when im off that flight, and continue transcoding from it when I am in the hotel.

    Everyone has their scenarios that they operate within. I dont assume everyone operates under my same circumstances, thats just lazy to make that assumption. This is the main issue in your own argument.

    Again, waiting on your example of a DTR that cant operate without a cooling pad. Until then all I see is a member who isnt here to exchange dialogue but to "win an argument the internet" with a falsely attributed argument for you to counter.

    Shaky ground to be operating on, all you had to do is admit you screwed up but here you are doubling down with barely a coherent response and no actual data to back up your claims.
     
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    Alonclake Notebook Enthusiast

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    I have posted numerous screenshots and test results on the user thread. You can also read from other users as well with new coffee lake.machines that their cpus are fine. it is not the cpu that takes the hit, It is gpu specifically gtx1080 with this model. On P870 1080 is good . Sli not sure
     
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    Reciever D! For Dragon!

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    I use English yet you seem to have to translate all dialogue into a message that is convenient for you your position. Its nothing less than talking to an ideologue.

    The onus of proof is on you, you made the claim. Now go back it up, its not the other way around.
     
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    Alonclake Notebook Enthusiast

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    How about you take the time to read up on those threads before making blind statements like" There is literally not a single notebook that can handle a desktop CPU " or all stock desktop cpu laptops reach throttling temperatures. The data is in user experiences. I am example of positive one with many others can read about in user threads. No point in fear mongering without checking user results or having a new system of your own to judge by.
     
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    Reciever D! For Dragon!

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    Danish made the claim, the onus is on him to prove it.

    If he cant then "Thats that". Move along until he can learn how to argue as anything further would be a waste of time for everyone involved.
     
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    Alonclake Notebook Enthusiast

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    Right but this is not the first time hes made such claims. I actually almost bought into it and going with a bga because of him. Only until i read up on user experiences and did research did i decided to go for it and glad i did especially after seeing great results through lots of my testing. i hope he starts listening and doing proper research because these statements he makes are wrong and dangerous.
     
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    Always look at both sides of an proposed solution to see if there is merit to claims made.

    Unless Danish is someone you had already held confidence in there is no reason to believe without references to support a solution.

    These statements can be dangerous as you say but ultimately when its all said and done it comes down to the individual to question or blindly accept.

    Luckily this forum has its own share for LGA love who are more than happy to provide data and share their experiences and sometimes quite loud about it too but at least I haven't seen intellectually dishonest arguments unlike here however that is anecdotal. Im not omnipresent lol.

    Im happy to exchange ideas, there are criticisms to be made in every market, nothing is perfect. But it has to be tangible first.

    @Papusan @Mr. Fox

    You guys have quite a bit of experience in what I would call the "DTR" realm. You have perspective I lack. Willing to share?
     
  9. Papusan

    Papusan TURDBOOKs Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on FILTHY

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    Will never happen. Post after post, threads after threads... Always the same wrong info!!

    More of the same! You find it everywhere in the forum.

    Edit. This one was from today
    (12/15/2017)
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    bennyg Notebook Virtuoso

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    Capitalism say

    If Clevo have no market for LGA socket monster

    They would not be refreshing every generation with multiple product lines


    Talk down LGA's for being in bigger heavier less portable notebooks, fair enough, but don't call them hot running or problematic that's just bloody fake news.

    How about let's look at brand wide return rates of Acer, Razer, Alienware with their tripods, all the other BGA notebooks and compare with Clevo LGAs and see which have more CPU related problems and overheating!!!
     
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    Ogg Notebook Consultant

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    HEHEHEHEHE! This guy is hilarious. Sounds like a jealous someone thats just mad that he doesnt have his own little fire breathing beast to play with.
     
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    It is easy to take things out of context to fit an agenda. The libtarded mainstream news media liars do it every day and get paid for it. Every Intel desktop CPU needs to be delidded if you want excellent temps. It does not make any difference what platform it will be installed in, they all run too hot as shipped. Intel should just go ahead and leave them loose and stop selling them with the IHS attached, because anyone that is technically competent and determined to have the best thermal performance is going to make the delid procedure the first thing they do. Testing temps before delid is just a waste of time. No point to installing it for that reason before it is delidded. (Other reasons, such as testing bin quality and overclocking capacity, then returning the poorly binned samples for a refund/exchange, are valid reasons to test before delid.)

    Any and all BGA turdbooks marketed in the "high performance" niche are a total joke and a total waste of time and money from my perspective.
     
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    Papusan TURDBOOKs Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on FILTHY

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    All you need is to put Vcore around 1.270v and you can easy run 5.1/5.2GHz stable all day on whatever 7820 BGA chips you got soldered on the MB. No need for silicon lottery (you have to try several MB for binning BGA chips:D). Because minimum clocks you should expect is 4.9GHz. Strange not all reach this goal if this is as easy as explained in the link. YEEES. And BGABOOKs have superior cooling... We all know this. Thinner the better. Sarcasm!!
    But, but this can't be true, Fox. See for yourselfo_O
     
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    BGA has its place, I dont have a problem with its existence and it allows for most to consolidate to one machine even if it does compromise the ends of the spectrum. For example the easiest example is college students. Its not uncommon for students to use their computers for school and also play games and such.

    The "optimal" setup would be to have a desktop in a dorm and a laptop with great battery life for classes but having two systems means more expense, then having a medium to transfer documents (ex. Flash drive, external drive). For convenience you can get a cheaper mainstream gaming laptop that would sacrifice battery life a bit and also sacrifice gaming performance to check both boxes. Sure, its not the best the prior example but joins them together in one package. I have no problem with this.

    You can also get examples like iunlock and his R4, I think thats impressive but its also exceptional, you cant generalize the exceptional.

    Then the question becomes; can you do this with LGA machines? I imagine you can get power consumption pretty low on the CPU side but I dont know about the GPU or how long you can extend the life of the battery for when your working within that scenario (say at classes for 6 hours).

    I just dont understand if you desire to have 1 machine for most of your tasks. What is wrong with setting profiles for those scenarios. I have this problem on OCN as well. Some would prefer to have multiple desktops in areas they travel instead of just having 1 DTR that can handle those tasks because carrying laptops is too much trouble. If I can do this on one machine, why would I spend more money on additional machines for narrowed tasks.

    Lastly it saddens me quite a bit that this conversation turned this direction as I had a rather pleasing conversation with Danish via PM's talking about modding laptops and stuff, rather enjoyed it. I suppose the signs were there in the thread I made inquiring about the Ranger but everyone is different in the temperament and I try not to judge someone based on a short conversation especially if its constructive.

    If I am incorrect in my line of thought please feel free to enlighten. I enjoy laptops quite a bit and so your guys' perspective will refine recommendations I give to others.

    That being said, I appreciate that my laptop is not BGA. The power supply blew within a minute of use after I bought this off ebay and junked some of the VRMs I think (Cant overclock at all). I can replace my motherboard for about 200 USD. I imagine if I had a BGA system it would cost more due to the fact that the CPU, motherboard, GPU, and in some cases the RAM are all part of the package. Leaving GPU upgrades out since its not part of the thread topic. Im ignorant, I dont have the confidence to replace the VRMs on my unit so I can just purchase the motherboard :) will do so after finishing school hopefully this month.

    Sorry about the wall of text, when parsing words and trying to not tip scales either way is a consequence it seems...
     
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    You mean the conservative mainstream media, right? I often see them take things out context or outright lie about things to push their agenda. I also didn't realize we were making this political.
     
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