Why does my folder(s) take so long to load…

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  1. StormJumper

    StormJumper Notebook Virtuoso

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    Before we can start anywhere we need some specs.

    1. What is your harware specs...cpu, gpu, ram
    2. What O/S are you using and what bit version 64 or 32?
    3. HDD specs and what kinda SSD and how are they assigned and did you plug them into the right Sata ports to max. access time?

    My only guess why the slow down is the A/V is too aggressive or setup to aggressive to scan every time. I have Windows 10 pro 1803/Defender and have no bottle necks in HDD access and I have 14 of them to say at 5400rpm each.
     
  2. Token CDN

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    CPU: Intel Core i7-6700HQ @2.6Ghz
    GPU: GTX960m @ 4gb gddr5 (+ Intel 530)
    OS: At the time - Win 10 Home x64, latest 1803 build
    HDD: Seagate 1TB @ 5400RPM. SSD: Transcend TS128GMTS800 M2 (plugged into the only places the fit and assigned automatically, I guess - I never had to do anything, they were just there;))

    I haven't played around much with the AV settings, pretty much left them at default other than disabling the cloud scanning parts.

    I ran some tests on the HDD with Seatools (couldn't get any of the other programs to work) and it seems to think everything is good.

    Honestly, I think troubleshooting is probably going to be pointless ATM since by the time you guys replied I had given up and started trialling different builds. So far everything is running good on LTSB (62 processes BTW)
    If I do feel the need to have the bloat back (I think I still have a Macrium image somewhere on my portable HD) I might start digging back into this more

    Thanks for your help anyways.
    Cheers
     
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    Disable any A/V and see what happens to access time if anything changes. And worse cause total uninstall of the A/V and installing Defender and see if anything changes from previous bottle necks you were having.
     
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    I'll recommend NO AV at all for testing if AV is actual cause.
     
  5. Token CDN

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    Tried just disabling Avast for now - just too lazy to uninstall - and there didn't seem to be much of a difference. That being said, so far the access time is much faster than previously. That could'd be due to the LTSB install I'm trying out, or maybe the fact I actually cleared and formatted the HDD before I installed - something I've never bothered with before, I'd usually just make it offline. Or it could just be ideal cosmic alignment…

    One thing I have noticed is that the access time seems to be faster if I go "User folder -> Downloads" as opposed to "This PC -> D: -> Downloads". Worse case scenario this time around the wait is ~1sec. Nowhere near as bad as before (of course now I probably just jinxed myself).

    That's not saying LTSB still hasn't found ways to p*** me off (update hangs, explorer (exe not Internet) crashes, for whatever reason when I try to run CCleaner, the program will launch but waits a few seconds before it starts deleting anything. IIRC 1607 builds have always run like s**t on my laptop)
     
  6. paradigm

    paradigm Notebook Deity

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    I have a similar issue, that’s been plaguing my win7 x64 for yonks. Can you explain what Eb2a, Eb2b etc.. means, so I can apply some fixes in y rig. I have a 3740Qm AW. M17xr4 (32gb, ATI 7970M all,SSD platform)


    .... sorry, just understood what it means
     
  7. Maleko48

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    Go to that link which takes you to my Dell7577 thread and use those unique codes to look up their entries in my table of contents.

    Click each entry's link and read up. Most are only a couple of posts or pages long with the relevant information before the topic changes. I made each link start at the beginning of the pertinent information.

    Start with reading through that stuff and trying some of it, then get back to me. I tried to do a decent job explaining it all at the time I was dealing with it.

    Btw, I'm not sure how well those will transfer to Win7 as they were done with Win10 at the time. The Intel graphics context seems to be pretty problematic though. So I'd start with that.

    Also I have noticed explorer takes longer when clicking it from your task bar than when using hot key WIN+E. I have also seen other workarounds which basically have you recreate the shortcut manually instead of using the default included shortcut.
     
  8. Apollo13

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    I have a guess what's going on given that you have both an SSD and HDD, because it's what happens on my desktop. If I'm doing exclusively SSD-based tasks for awhile, or just leave the PC idle/use one program for an extended time, eventually my hard drive stops spinning to save some power. Then if, say, I open a Run prompt and type D:\Documents to open my moved-to-HDD My Documents folder, it'll take a few seconds to load, and if the room is quiet (and because it's a 3.5" drive), I can hear the hard drive spinning up. Once it's spun up, I can access all the files on it in normal time.

    It's mildly annoying, but I figure it probably does add up to a decent amount of power saved. Haven't bothered into seeing whether there's a way to change it. The particular drive I'm using that powers down is a Toshiba 2 TB 7200 RPM HDD from 2013.
     
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    I've had the same problem on my desktop. I use a 6TB HDD for media storage, and two SSDs for OS and programs/data. If the HDD is off, and I open File Explorer, it will freeze until I hear the HDD finish spinning up. Similarly, one network share (though not all of them) cause significant latency at File Explorer startup, too. It was most annoying on my laptop, which is SSD-only. I am surprised that Windows File Explorer is this poorly behaved when it comes to dealing with latency on a multidisk system.
     
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    I'm pretty sure it's due to hardware/firmware, not Windows Explorer. Or at least not primarily Windows Explorer. The disk powers down after a certain amount of time with no requests; no matter which program requests access next, it will take time to spin up. And I've seen this occasionally - perhaps I'm in a browser and go to download a file, and the "Choose where to save" dialog defaults to D:\, because that's where I last saved a file. If the hard drive has powered down, the browser will appear unresponsive for a few seconds as the dialog waits to hear from the disk. I suspect the same thing would happen if I opened a command prompt and went to that drive.

    One work around would be to occasionally read a file from the disk through an automated program, but that would also defeat any power savings. Which may be worth it depending on your use case.

    Windows Explorer could also do something like cache the top level, but that will eat up RAM whether you need it or not. And it can't cache too much - even a directory/file listing on my 2 TB hard drive would majorly increase Explorer's RAM consumption.

    Ultimately a power setting toggle for the drive may be the best option, so the user could choose their preference, but alas I'm not aware of one.
     
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