Why Are Larger SSDs Faster?

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  1. Phoenix

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    Hey LLT made a useful video for once :D
     
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    Papusan JOKEBOOKS = That sucks!! STAHP! Dont buy FILTH...

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    You won’t get slower speed with smaller sized Optane drives vs. the bigger one... New tech. See Intel’s new Optane drives.
     
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    They charge more for them so you have get something for the outlay. :D
     
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    The video points out a few of the reasons why they're faster.

    The rest of the reasons are that: (usually) better nand is used in larger drives, (usually) better controllers are used in larger drives, (usually) better firmware is used in larger drives and most importantly; I can OP a larger drive greater than 33% and still have more usable capacity and greater sustained performance (even if that greater performance exhibits greater and greater diminishing returns...).

    While supersizing your food is a bad idea for your health (no matter how much $$ you're 'saving', sigh...), buying the biggest SSD you can afford (and here, I would add 'continually') is directly related to how long the system will stay usable (not just to the original user; but to the second and third owners too).

    I have seen older systems (10 year old Precision series workstations) work almost identical and almost better than their current counterparts, when it comes to 'snap' (no question the newer platform is much more productive, of course...). By simply changing that old tech SSD's with anything current, of the biggest capacity possible (2TB SATA III SSD's are the current sweet spot). After maxing out the RAM and giving the system a good cleaning for hair/dust and a proper Windows 10 x64 Pro clean install, the owner of the older hardware kinda questioned why the old system was scrapped and the new system was bought (could have been easily used by a junior employee and still kept them productive for the next six months or more...).

    When any platform isn't optimized/maxed and/or balanced as well as it could be (O/S, Drivers, CPU, RAM, Storage and an optimal configuration of the preceding hardware/software...), the results are always dismal.

    Buying a cutting edge technology like an SSD and then getting a weak example of the same (wrong brand/controller/capacity) is a mistake I see too many make.
     
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    Okay, pun aside,actually they are not faster at least brand name ones!
    Case on Point
    Samsung 850 Pro SSD's
    256GB, 512GB, 1TB, and 2TB have the Mex Controller and all Read/Write 550/520 Mbps, IOPS 100K/90K, and MTBF 2,000,000 hours and 10 year warranty.

    Too many links to show this and all links show No Difference !
     
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    Papusan JOKEBOOKS = That sucks!! STAHP! Dont buy FILTH...

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    960 Evo
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    But you won't see the big difference in normal daily computer use:D
     
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    Spec's and 'scores' don't show a difference because they can't. I'm also not here to convince anyone in particular that a difference is there either.

    What I'm saying is that just using very many examples of SSD's from most of the available spectrum including capacity and brands I can see a difference from my very lightest use case to the very heaviest workloads I (and my clients) use them for.

    Is the price difference worth it for most? Maybe not (but unless they actually try it for themselves, they don't know what they're missing either...). But for those that are buying SSD's for their promised performance? They are cheating themselves out of that maximum possible performance if they buy on mere 'specs' to save mere $$...

    I've seen SSD's give me (sustained) effectively USB 2.0 speeds or they can give me something closer to up to ~55% to ~60% of the SATA III or PCIe x4 theoretical connection used... when they're properly and optimally setup.

    The biggest defining factor on what (sustained) real world speeds I can achieve? The size/capacity of the SSD in question and the correspondingly better controller/firmware used on them.

    And when we're comparing apples to apples (high end 'older' to high end 'current') newer and bigger is (almost) always better.

    When a properly setup platform/ssd checks/updates my O/S and store apps in a few seconds vs. a few minutes; the difference (even in this extremely 'light use' example) is worth hundreds of $$'s to me. Because that is easily the time I'll gain over the next few years of usage out of them.


    I'll point this out again; warranty for any storage device that I've actually put mine or my client's data on is a moot point. I will never return/exchange a storage device with data on it - and neither will any client I represent either. Warranty is simply a marketing ploy that I don't factor into my purchase decision. Once I decide to keep a drive I've finished testing (with 'fake' data...); the warranty is effectively over.

    The reasons I'll keep it? SNAP! Sustained speeds. Sustained responsiveness. Keeps cool in the platform used. Very little ('felt') performance variance. NO STUTTERING/HICCUPS. Price (if there is an otherwise comparable product to choose from).

    Those that believe SSD's are all the same (if the specs are similar) are not familiar with the concept of the whole being more than the sum of it's parts. Some products have it; most don't and there are always a few that don't that fail spectacularly at it. To me; the differences are vast between those type of examples of any product category we can discuss in these forums.

    3Fees, we don't need to agree on this issue. I'm okay with that.

    But the differences my clients and I see are real and worth mere $$ to alleviate as much as is possible today. Even if the majority of the world is effectively blind to the existence of those differences and/or doesn't value the benefits gained from the best examples vs. the lessor ones (and again; not best/worst in 'specs' - rather; real world use).


    Wishing you and everyone here a Happy and Prosperous 2018.

    Take care.

     
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    The Statement " Why are Larger SSD's Faster ? " Its a universal affirmative statement and what I have shown is one exception to it, which in terms of Logic negates and disproves the statement in entirety, thus, therefore ect in conclusion, The Statement is False !

    I have tested the two Samsung 850's Pro's I have on installed on two different notebooks-both saturate the Sata III band as published when running Sata III, both notebooks web surf, download, bring up pdf programs, office programs and such really fast as fast as larger Samsung 850 Pro's do, a few seconds.

    Have a Nice Day
     
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