W3j vs MacBook Pro

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  1. dysfunctiotnal

    dysfunctiotnal Notebook Consultant

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    wella actually, the w3J is underclocked, but not as heavily as the mbp. thekingdavids, first one to own one in the forum, confirmed it.

    like gobzz, im quite torn too. w3j was my first choice, but when i found how it was going to retail at the same price level as the mbp, i started comparing, esp after i was offered a good deal on the mbp. now i think im in love w the screen but dont really like the heat. gd point on who would do editting on his lap anyway.. :p
     
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    GPU power has very little to do with video editing -- which is essentially cpu/IO intensive. So how to decide? Simple.

    What do you use more? XP or OSX?

    If you have never used OSX, there's absolutely no point right now in getting an MBP. If you were to get an MBP I would wait a few generations for Apple to work out the kinks, there's no reason to jump on the "z0mg mah $2000 Mac can run WINDOZE!!ONE!*!(E!!" bandwagon this early in the game when XP support is still in beta. So if you have always dealt with XP, and only have a passing interest in trying/learning OSX, I suggest you get the Asus or any other Windows machines.

    If you has had much experience with OSX and feel comfortable with it (arguably Final Cut Pro - now newly ported to Core Duo - is the best video-editing software avail on the PC platform), then the choice is obvious -- get the MBP cuz that's what you are used to.

    cheers,

    yass
     
  3. Gobzz

    Gobzz Notebook Enthusiast

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    THanks a lot, guys... Just compared the pics of W3J and MBP.. W3j really seems much more attractive. Not so... hmm... high-tech

    Final question is...
    If it occurs to me, can I install OSX (I can get one) to Asus (just for the sake of Final Cut)??
    Without any losses in quality of videoprocessing?

    [WinXp seems more comfortable for now due to typing work]
     
  4. yassarian

    yassarian Notebook Deity

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    I dunno, I really don't find anything high-tech about the MBP, most of the "features" just seems gimmicky to me. I mean, magnetized plugs? Wow, that's pretty cool, let me think the last time I tripped over my laptop's powercord, causing a catastrophy... hmm, that was... NEVER. lol I'm sure somewhere, someone is gonna say that it saved them their machine, which I don't doubt, but the bottom line is that I don't particularly consider this to be a selling point, one way or the other.

    Another thing -- I love the MBP's keyboard, they have the best feel to them imho. However, I don't particularly think they are well constructed -- wayyy too often do I see keys that are somewhat crooked or doesn't seem to be properly set. Again, don't let the slick exterior fool you. Having some mood lighting and magents for connectors doesn't mean it's particularly well machined or even high tech. Just more parts that can go wrong. :D

    To answer your other question -- yes there are forums that talks about porting OSX to a Windows machine, and ppl have done it with limited success. It is by no meanings production level. It's even more "beta"(if even that) than XP on the MBP at this stage. If you go Asus, forget about Final Cut Pro for the time being.

    Final Cut Pro is arguably the best, but that does not mean programs like Premier are slouches either. The thing is, if you have to ask... I don't think you need, or will tap into all the features that FCP has to offer in the near future anyway -- I'm not sure what level of videoprocessing you are looking at, but if right now you are still unsure which program to go with, I'd say that you would do well with EITHER one of them. :)

    The bottom line is, if you want to primarily use OSX, get the MBP since that's your only choice right now(even then I think I'd wait for the NEXT generation if at all possible, for the machines to mature a bit in design). If you primarily uses XP and only has a passing interest in OSX -- get the Asus and use the xtra money to get a Mini or something, for you to play with. NOW you have the best of both worlds. :D

    cheers,

    yass

     
  5. Beidomon

    Beidomon Notebook Enthusiast

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    I was also in a similar position. I was very interested in the MSI 1039 and was going to wait for it to come out. However it kept getting delayed and I kinda needed a notebook sooner rather then later. I've used Macs at school and love all the graphics editing tools on the Mac. However, it's getting to the point where editing software is becoming much more universal and there are so many options for both the PC and Mac. It's pretty much personal preference if the two notebooks are priced closely. Like everyone else has said, it just depends what OS you are going to use the most. I bought MBP a few weeks ago and have loved it since I started using it. It just takes a bit of time to get used to if you are coming from Windows.
     
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    I know you can install OS X on a PC, but its much harder than just using bootcamp and I don't know if its even legal to do.
     
  7. stokkes

    stokkes Notebook Enthusiast

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    Although there is a version of OS X 10.4.4 Intel that you can install on Intel based PCs, it's 1) Not legal and 2) Pretty flakey.

    Thing is, Apple doesn't have drivers for every piece of hardware known to man (and why should they? They don't plan on people running OSX on PCs, hence no need to build drivers for hardware that isn't in a Mac anyway).

    I've installed OSX 10.4.4 Intel on an IBM Thinkcentre at work and although it booted and ran quite fast, somethings as the network didn't work, video display was a bit flakey (resolution didn't go high), no wireless support, etc. And like I said, you can't just go download drivers for OSX, it doesn't work that way.

    So the bottom line is no, if you get a W3J, you're SOL when it comes to putting OSX on it.
     
  8. dysfunctiotnal

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    what's SOL? :p
     
  9. yassarian

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    As long as you bought your copy of OSX, you can do whatever you want with it -- install it on a Dell, use it as a coaster, throw it around as a frisbie, or even fry it in a microwave. :p

    Provided that you don't steal their code for your personal profit -- if ya gonna do that, Apple's gonna want a piece of that action. hehe

    cheers,

    yass
     
  10. orangutan

    orangutan Notebook Enthusiast

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    Actually, with the price difference between the two he could get the W3J + a Big Mac,
    not a Mac Mini. They are almost the same price (with amazon mail-in or educational
    discount on the apple).

    In any case I am in the same decision boat, adding the ASUS A8Jm to the mix too,
    which does have DVI and also has an NVidia 7600 (more linux friendly than x1600).

    Another MBP 'gimmick" that is a pretty big deal for my working style is the backlit
    keyboard. A big downside is the one mouse button (for X11).

    Still, I cross platform 3D develop, so a triple boot machine is rather tempting (OSX,
    Win32, linux).

    The build of the W3J (based on playing with a W3V) _IS_ superior to the MBP,
    although they are close (the MBP is itself just a high end ASUS).

    The A8Jm sounds like it will be of a lower tier build quality (than the W3J and MBP),
    but it will cost less too.

    One major feature of the MBP over the other is the screen resolution 1440x900 vs
    1280x768/1280x800.

    Here is my take (models listed in order from best to worst per line):

    Price - A8Jm, W3J, MBP
    Build quality - W3J, MBP, A8Jm
    Size - W3J, A8Jm, MBP
    Keyboard - MBP, W3J, A8Jm
    Mouse/Touchpad - W3J, A8Jm, MBP
    Screen - MBP, W3J, A8Jm
    GPU - A8Jm, W3J, MBP (7600go gets edge due to linux)
    CPU - all reasonably quick core duos
    video out (DVI vs svideo) - MBP/A8Jm, W3J
    OS support - MBP, W3J/A8Jm
     
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