VW Shows Off Electric Car to Take on Tesla

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  1. Convel

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    Tesla is the king of social media out of the automakers. Way more buzz surrounding the Model 3 than the ID.3 − we hardly heard of anything Volkswagen since the concept I.D. Neo. Tesla is a more desirable brand than Volkswagen to most people who can afford one, and that along with a far greater media presence leads to greater pre-order hype, whereas the ID.3 probably won't sell in great numbers until it's available to try at dealerships. At least Volkswagen is sober about their expected sales performance, targeting 30.000 ID.3 1st models made (those you can pre-order) and selling them only in Europe − a stark contrast to the Model 3's global presence and overestimated production capacity, but hatchbacks are more popular in Europe than North America anyhow.

    That said, the Model 3 offers unmatched performance and autonomous features at its price point. With the latest price cut, it is a really attractive proposition. The pre-orders at the 24-hour mark were probably higher than 115.000 too. 115.000 was initially reported, but Elon Musk tweeted 180.000. Some even reported 232.000. I don't think every EV needs to be seen as a Tesla competitor though, and even in the electric age, there are people looking for a hatchback from a reliable company, slightly cheaper than the Model 3. Different strokes for different folks and their wallets. It looks certain the ID.3 will both make Volkswagen money and sell out its 30.000 slots before initial availability.
     
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    Yup, VW is a newbie in this realm, and in their "pre-order" release coverage they mentioned this several times, I think it's great that they are at least trying.

    And, I remembered it as being 300,000 sold in the first 72 hours - or maybe that was in less time?

    The VW Q&A was funny, they asked how many pre-sales would be considered a success, and they answered that that's why they limited the 1st production to 30,000, and once sold out there won't be a 30,001 added, that's it 30k. So that there isn't a long suffering list of disappointed people waiting for delivery for years, like Tesla.

    Apparently VW will immediately open sales for the ID.3 production - post 1st run - so there will be normal build to order sales - another jab at Tesla making Tesla 3's willy-nilly and hoping customer configuration orders match produced vehicles.

    The VW Bus Electric looks fun... ;)
     
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    Between Tesla and VW, I would buy VW, just becasue it's not Tesla :D.
     
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    Tesla Time News's take on VW's release... :)

    Tesla Time News - FCA to Give Tesla $2 Billion & Model 3 Gets a Tow Hitch
    VW ID.3 - 25:28

    Now You Know
    Model 3 Tow Hitch - 1:07
    Tesla Offers CCS Adapter - 2:36
    FCA to Pay Tesla $2B - 4:58
    U.S. Solar Installations Hits 2M - 8:24
    GM to Sell Lordstown to Workhorse? - 11:23
    IL vs ND - 16:37
    Starship Update June 20th - 23:14
    VW ID.3 - 25:28
    Model 3 Back in U.S. Top Ten - 31:17
    Tesla’s Ad Spending - 32:28
    LIGHTNING ROUND - 35:31


    Elon Tweet
    Telsa Time News Be Trippin.jpg
     
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  5. Mr. Fox

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    I think part of the issue is there are far too many people that have no interest whatsoever in owning electric vehicles. They are expensive to build, too expensive to repair in some respects (especially when the batteries are involved) and that translates into being more costly to insure. The infrastructure to support them (charging stations) is not robust enough to make them convenient enough to seriously consider as an alternative form of transportation, especially for those that live in rural or suburb areas and drive greater distances. And, the average taxpayer isn't open to the concept of being taxed into oblivion to bankroll the government funding needed for the creation of that infrastructure, especially when there are more important things that warrant their tax money to be used for. Proponents of electric vehicles are primarily the folks that have totally embraced the notion that we're all going to die because of climate change and that sort of thing.
     
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    It looks like VW has a much more important problem to solve, than how to place all of the EV cars it's planned to sell. Where will it get the batteries it needs to build those promised production numbers? A number of key partners, projects, and delivery commitments are beginning to look like they aren't coming through - perhaps for 2-3 years, so VW is out shopping for batteries.

    Will VW's Plans For an Electric Car Revolution Be Stalled By Batteries?
    Transport Evolved
    Published on May 28, 2019
    Volkswagen has finally started preparing for its planned electric vehicle rollout, with the ID.3 order books already open and VW committing billions of euro to battery supply contracts. But now it's starting to look as if Volkswagen, like many other automakers, is struggling to source the batteries it needs. What now? And will Volkswagen swallow the extra cost and buy more expensive cells to hit its goals? [if it can even find available production capacity]
     
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    The reduction from 20 to 5 gigawatt hours of batteries supplied by Samsung SDI is not good news, but they should be able to fix supply in the long run. LG Chem is also supplying them with batteries and Volkswagen is considering establishing a battery facility with SK Innovation in Germany.

    https://www.carscoops.com/2019/05/v...on-battery-deal-over-samsung-supply-concerns/

    In other news, an artist has digitally removed the camouflage, giving us a fairly accurate look of the ID.3. I look forward to learning more about its pricing and interior, as the ID.3 will supposedly match a Golf Diesel with similar equipment while offering a roomier interior that's much nicer. Time will tell hype apart from facts.

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    https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/heres-electric-volkswagen-id3-stripped-camouflage
     
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    First impression is that this VW looks like a cool little toy car. Wonder what type of customer base this is aimed at. For sure they're not expecting to snipe away potential Tesla customers with it looking like a Golf, having less range, and most likely way slower.
     
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    It appears the customer base for the ID.3 is people in the market for a hatchback or an affordable EV, neither of which Tesla currently offers, so I wouldn't say they're tip-toeing against Tesla here. The suspense of Tesla possibly going bankrupt or being bought out is once again heightened, so until the marque has a more stellar track record, the question of reliability also comes into play.
     
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    Wow, that view looks great doesn't it! :)

    There are a number of gotcha's VW is dealing with that could tie up the delivery of cells and stop the building of their gigafactory, and so the new contracts are vital to get things going.

    50K cars worth of batteries, even if it's 25% of the original contract, will still build the First ID.3's 30K production run, and so at least that is "safe", for now.

    It looks like even with the well established marque's the EV drama continues. :)
    I was noticing that too, VW was careful to offer their special car expertise and not copy the other EV makers, including Tesla.

    Tesla isn't going away. They bought 10+ months of "burn-rate" to get them over the hump, and Tesla has enough going on to bring them in over the top as long as there are no surprises. This isn't the first time Tesla has been against the ropes, and it might not even be the last.

    Saving myself some typing time, here's a video covering all the angles, start at 07:35 to avoid the dry short's stock talk:

    Tesla Has 10 Months Left? | In Depth
    Now You Know
    Published on May 28, 2019
    "On today's episode of "In Depth" Zac & Jesse talk about Tesla's recent Stock Plunge and what it means for the future of the company."

    Of course these guys are "all in" for Tesla and EV's, so use their explanations as counter point to all the Tesla Bears out there.
     
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