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Vaio Duo 11 Owners Thread

Discussion in 'Sony Owners' Lounge Forum' started by Qwaarjet, Nov 2, 2012.

  1. Qwaarjet

    Qwaarjet Notebook Deity

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    Not an owner yet, but I will be soonish! I'll try to maintain the first post the thread for the current owners.

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  2. Qwaarjet

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    Continuing the conversation here:





    The 128gb to 256gb upgrade on Sony costs $170 on the USA site, so not sure how you'd be saving any money since most 256gb msata drives cost north of $200. Of course, a better reason to replace it would be for performance reasons. Someone here should run some benchmarks on the drive and see what you're getting. Compare it to a mainstream drive like the msata M4 and see if it would be worth while. Toshiba drives are not sought after for performance reasons....... but they have gotten better as of late compared to their earlier drives.

    CT256M4SSD3 - 256GB, mSATA Solid State Drive , from Crucial.com

    Crucial m4 mSATA 256GB SSD Review > Benchmarks: CrystalDiskMark 3.0 - TechSpot Reviews
    Crucial m4 256GB mSATA SSD: Performance
     
  3. xerotheory

    xerotheory Notebook Enthusiast

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    What program/benchmark do you want me to run on it? Ill do it.
     
  4. Qwaarjet

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    While not the best, the most commonly used are CrystalDiskMark and AS SSD. You can easily find benchmarks of those two with most any SSD out there so you can see how the Toshiba drive compares to Crucial/Intel/Samsung's msata drives. I'm going to guess it won't be to Toshiba's favor based on prior history, but don't get me wrong, ever modern SSD is stupidly fast compared to HDD's so nothing to worry about in that respect, just know that things could be better! Sony has used Toshiba drives in the past with the Z series, but they also heavily used Samsung as well depending on the revision of Z, I personally wish they would have gone with Samsung again in the Duo 11.

    I wonder how easy it would be to replace it. Anyone brave enough to crack their baby open and see how accessible the drive is? :D
     
  5. xerotheory

    xerotheory Notebook Enthusiast

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    Just ran crystal mark.

    Sequential Read: 441mbs
    Sequential Write: 243mbs
    Random 512k Read: 300mbs
    Random 512k Write: 249mbs
    Random 4k Read: 18.9mbs
    Random 4k Write: 40.2mbs
    Random 4k QD32 Read: 130mbs
    Random 4k QD32 Write: 228.7mbs


    On an unrelated note - don't try to recalibrate the touchscreen. I tried doing that with the hopes that the random freezes would disappear, and I think I inadvertently made it so that the charms bar wouldn't appear. Everything else worked, top bar, recent apps bar, bottom bar, and the entire screen recognized touch input at the time, including near where the charms bar was supposed to be. Every time I tried to actually load the charms bar, it wouldn't recognize the swipe. Windows Key + C still brought it up, so the bar itself wasn't disabled, just the swiping mechanism for it. I ended up doing a system restore to an earlier point and it fixed it.

    It feels awful and kind of neat to be with this product in its infancy. Windows 8, touchpad displays, and this slider specifically are very new, so its natural that there will be some issues. I wish it was easier to find individual drivers and such for it though. Seems like every time I try and enter the model number into sony online support, it tells me device not found.
     
  6. CoolHotCold

    CoolHotCold Notebook Evangelist

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    I'm seriously temped by this convertible.

    If the Ram upgradeable and is the SSD either a slim 7mm SSD or a mSATA (not a propriety one)

    Even better if you can take pictures of the underside with the case off.


    Having tried one out, it seems the num is pretty much pointless and it seems the swiping titles has been over dampened, possible to confirm? Both won't make much difference, I'd just like to know before I go all out.

    Also, if possible to double check the memory inside (if upgradeable) is DDR3L (Low Voltage) and the model number inside
     
  7. Qwaarjet

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    I stand corrected, those are great numbers for a msata, Toshiba seems to have improved their controllers! Performance won't be a reason to swap the drive. Maybe in the future when 512gb msata drives are out and priced sanely.
     
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    What do you mean about num and titles? Can you reclarify please?
     
  9. CoolHotCold

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    Gah, stupid autocorrect.

    The nub as a replacement as a trackpad, and the titles are the windows live tiles.
     
  10. xerotheory

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    Yeah the nub is pretty bad. I havnt really found a use for it outside of when the screen freezes, but I tried it out and its just too meh, takes too many swipes to get the cursor across. I don't have much experience using them in general to comment on how it compares to other manufacturers.

    Im not sure what you mean by tiles being dampened. Granted its a different mechanical control, but the tiles don't seem to move any differently than on my desktop non touch.
     
  11. xerotheory

    xerotheory Notebook Enthusiast

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    Spoke with sony customer support as this touchscreen issue was getting crazy. The service woman said they have receieved quite a few calls last week about this issue. Seems to randomly effect some duo 11s but not others. Currently there is no driver update or any status on this bug/malfunction. She recommended for me to go back to the sony store and return it for the same model.

    Now time to decide if I want to continue down the duo 11 path or deal with the ty screen on the t series, or the good screen on the 15 s series but 4.5hours battery life and less portability x(
     
  12. d2daanny

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    Is there any duo owner that isn't having the touchscreen issue? I'm tempted to exchange mine.

    I had a Lenovo Yoga for a couple days and it seemed to have the same problem.
     
  13. Johnmcl7

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    Today I can join the highly exclusive Vaio Duo owners club ;) I had received a call from the company I bought the computer from to respond to an issue I had raised about their delivery system, they apologised for the error and said the machine was on track for delivery on Monday so I was rather pleased to find rather than the jacket I was expecting at the delivery office it was the laptop.

    First impressions are that the screen is incredible, the colour is s vibrant and the resolution superb. The little optical nub is a little bit odd but it seems ok although I'm used to this type of system as my work machine is an X200, I'm finding the middle button a bit stiff for scrolling though and tapping it is a little inaccurate as it tends to move slightly when tapped. The keyboard feels ok although I'm finding typing a bit inaccurate so far as I seem to keep missing keys, I'm hoping that will get better when I'm more used to it. The tilting screen seems clever as it makes it easier to access compared to a design where the screen is in a normal laptop position.

    I uninstalled McAfee and it wrecked the system, fragments seemed to be all over the place so browsers wouldn't work nor could I access network shares. There's a tool on McAfee's site called MCPR which will tidy up a machine and that seems to have done the trick although I still have a McAfee Parental Control entry in programs and features I can't remove and there's a tile as well that needs to go. Someone in the original thread mentioned wireless problems and I'm having the same, it's dropped several times today and on one occasion refused to reconnect until I restarted. I have a very good Draytek router which has been rock solid with all my wireless devices so far so I don't think it is responsible.

    John
     
  14. xerotheory

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    In the last general thread some people were reporting that they havnt had any issues with theirs. So far I have been the vocal minority, so keep in mind most of the posts are coming from me.
     
  15. xerotheory

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    Interesting that yours came with McCafee. Mine came with Kapersky.

    Also I havnt been having dropped signals or anything, but sometimes on reboot it takes a while for it to connect and I have to manually select my home wifi to connect.

    Let us know if you have any screen issues. For me it starts getting more and more apparent the more things I have running. Just start watching a hulu show, then open some tabs in ie, and just keep scrolling. See if it all of a sudden stops responding to touch input.
     
  16. Johnmcl7

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    Mine appeared to have a UK image as it defaulted to UK keyboard and language whereas normally it defaults to US as it's usually the same image.

    With the wifi usually I can reconnect just by tapping connect and it's fine but once it wouldn't connect at all so will see how it goes. The touch screen has been behaving ok for me but I haven't been doing much for it, I've kept it open most of the time and has been responding fine but will need more time to see if it's ok or not.

    The other issue I'm having is the Modern UI apps won't seem to update, I just get dots going across the screen and nothing seems to happen no matter how long I leave it. Annoyingly that interface doesn't give you any information about what it is doing so I can't see if it is starting a download or what.

    John
     
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    I think the app thing is more of a windows 8 or store thing. Happens to my desktop too. I end up just doing something else or relogging to fix it.
     
  18. Johnmcl7

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    Yes, I appreciate it's not a fault of the Vaio but it's one part that really annoys me about Windows 8 as I don't like having it all hidden from me. On a more positive note I thought the Windows 8 preview was surprisingly fast on the old Dell XPS M1330 I was testing it with which had a 320GB hard drive, the speed of it on the Vaio with the SSD is ridiculous - the hybrid shutdown systems works extremely well.

    I had a good look at cases and covers but none of them would fit as the Duo 11 is a strange shape, it's very wide and not very tall so it doesn't fit in my usual slip as it's wider than my Lenovo X200 (12in widescreen) but cases wide enough for it have too much height so the machine doesn't feel very secure. Anyone found any suitable non-Sony bags?

    John
     
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    Can anyone tell me how the scaling is on this computer? I know that with full HD on an 11-inch, there's probably a good amount of scaling...does it work out well?
     
  20. Mitlov

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    No touchscreen issues for me.

    I had Kaspersky, not McAfee, and removing it was painless.

    I've had two or three wifi hiccups in the past week, including a LOT of streaming video, so I'd notice if there was an issue. So far, it's only happened when playing Xbox Video or Xbox Music (both apps are still a bit buggy and could use another update or two), doesn't always happen, and isn't reproducible. Seems like a minor driver issue that should be easy to patch. If it was a hardware issue, I think it'd happen more frequently and with more regularity. A reboot fixes it.

    EDIT: I'm now wondering if being too close to another wifi device is causing interference--placing my Duo 11 directly adjacent to my F2 is causing the Duo's wifi to stutter a little, andmoving it to the next room caused wifi problems to cease (maybe coincidence, maybe not). I wonder if other people are having problems when it's right next to their phone or another laptop or something?

    EDIT 2: YES, I think that's it with the wifi. I reproduced it at least twice. Being directly adjacent to my Vaio F2 makes its wifi disconnect, and it can't reconnect until it's moved a bit further away and rebooted. Some sort of interference.
    Works out GREAT. I can think of one and only one time when it's an issue, and it's an absolute nit-pick. In MS Word, when you collapse the ribbon, you get a down-arrow on the toolbar to re-expand it. That arrow doesn't scale well. That's the ONLY issue I've noticed scaling-wise in a week of use, including extensive desktop use in addition to start screen app use. Otherwise, scaling is flawless at either 125% or 150%.
     
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