There is no powerful laptop yet STILL, which will handle 4K@60 (2160p60) ?

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  1. Peto Pedro

    Peto Pedro Notebook Enthusiast

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    Or can someone prove me wrong??
    Please play this video and let me know ! DO NOT force your nvidia's GPUs , But integrated GPU ! Poor intel HD 630 or if anybody has AMD VEGA latest which is 5x better than intel's .. But I bet not many of you have AMD CPU ...
    I wanna see who will have lowest frame drop so best CPU
    Here is the video open in chrome -> youtube -> se to 4k@60 and play in full screen then right click on mouse -> bottom choose stats for nerds .. and check how many frames dropped...
    Thank youu
     
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    Also there is no Real world Desktop beyond a Uber 2-3-4 SLI that may be able to handle this if then GPU software was designed to run this. Not all GPU will perform the same or produce the same results. We need to download that software not run it from a site that bandwidth withdrawals. Streaming from YT is a Very POOR indicator of GPU optimizations.
     
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    Even on desktop 3900X with 5700XT is dropping 48 when I tested it to 10,000 frames. But server with 2700X and Vega Frontier Edition only dropped 13 of the 10,000 frames. Factoring in internet and the fact its a poorly encoded video frame loss on youtube 4k60 is going to be normal.

    The mobile variant of Vega on this current gen with the ryzen will handle local 4K60 and even 8K24. Radeons engine for decoding is separate from the actual compute part of the core. Pairing it with a laptop containing a 4800 or 4900H/S would be your best best for meeting needs in laptop form factor, or waiting for 5700M even.
     
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    It is not about GPU ... tho .. if u open taskbar graphics engages slightly wht it needs to work is actual CPU.. And yet they are soo slow..
    This probably needs top RYZEN or EPYC processor .. :)
    NO it is not about download ..ppl not gonna download stuff from YT and watch it.... or me I wanna fluently stream 4k@60 got now 65'' 4k@60 TV and mine laptop Acer Aspire S7-393 i7 5500U haha old I know had 6gen i7-6700HQ with GTX 970M but I sold it as I want to buy either asus with amd 4900HS or Acer Triton 500 with intel 10gen and 2070 RTX
     
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    NO no it isn't poorly encoded youtube uses their own standard
    But it depends of the youtube uploader what format they upload and then compatibility with YT format ..
    I already was blaming that action camera HERO god knows what format they use, but I tried other videos and still stuttering.. There is difference if the uploader uploads 4k@24 the video is less heavy .. even 4k@30 handles ok .. but as soon as someone uploads full 4k@60 it is enormously large I can't even imagine 8K@60 which PC / Laptop gonna handle ...
    But 48 is pretty good you have no lag or stutter then..
    Yes I was checking that asus with 4900HS best laptop cpu and AMD could pair it up with the best vega gpu..
     
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    Modern graphics cards have dedicated hardware specifically for decoding video VP9. Mobile Vega (as of Raven Ridge) and navi, for example, have dedicated processors that exist outside of the Compute Units just to handle video. I was playing World of Warships when I got those 48 frames dropped. It isn't some magical thing, just like how using the CPU to render graphics is bad, but using a graphics card for graphics works great, using dedicated video decode hardware works much better than using GPU compute. The only limitation is hardware decode has to have "pipelines" for the way the supported codecs handle stuff. Any h.264, HEVC or VP9 will be decoded in special hardware. Not on the Compute Units in the GPU or on the CPU. A whole different little processor within the same package as the graphics core, but not as part of the graphics core. Video can be very cache sensitive so if anything happens on the network such that would cause an amount of buffer bloat you might see frames dropped in favor of maintaining pacing and quality. The internet quality is going to matter in each scenario too. Oh..and not using a ULV proccessor lol modern generations handle it better but you will be fine once you step away from U series.

    For your TV if you really want to be watching 4K60 like that I would invest in the nvidia shield and just enjoy yourself! It also has nice AI Upscaling for non 4K content which seems up your alley and is worth it over any PC headaches.

    Your best bet will be going for that asus though and also make sure you have nothing like killer networking which does traffic shaping but the new shield for TV specifically is a good grab.
     
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    There is possibility that hero 7 using h. 265 codec and YT bit struggle with converting...
    I know, this 5 year old ultrabook is 5th gen i7 5500U with Intel HD 5500 GPU 8GB ram as my temporary "gateway" hehe until I get new gaming, as I sold my 6th gen MSi and that laptop had i7 6700HQ with Intel HD 530 and it was struggling too with 4k@60 but when I set Google chrome to run with GTX 970M it smoothed out nicely no skipping or stuttering video
    Oh and I forgot to mention TV has built-in YouTube and when I tested this 4k@60 video it just freezes after few seconds haha... I had to drop it to 2k...
     
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    i5 9300h no dropped frames. like what are you talking about?
     
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    Woow nice .. surprised with i5
     
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