The ThrottleStop Guide

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  1. Vasudev

    Vasudev Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    HP uses Poor cooling solution but thermals can be managed if one correctly uses TS and configure DPTF for max performance.
     
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  2. ConnorO

    ConnorO Newbie

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    I can definitely tame the heat issue, but that appears to come with a seriously lower benchmark score, expected?

    I will post screenshots shortly of course.

    I see mention of configuring DPTF, where/how is this done please?

    Appreciate the responses thank you
     
  3. Julien7

    Julien7 Newbie

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    Hey, I'm having a problem and I'm wondering if it's normal behaviour on the new generation of laptops.
    I've tried this on 3 new laptops: MSI GS73 with GTX 1060, ASUS GL704GM with GTX 1060 and MSI GS75 with RTX 2060. All 3 with Intel i7-8750H. If I'm gaming and let the processor go into turbo-boost, the discrete GPU boosts as well and performance is as it should be. If I click on "disable turbo" in throttlestop, the GPU goes well below base clock. The 1060 goes to 1200 MHz and below, the 2060 went as low as 500 MHz. I can achieve the same result by lowering "Max Processor State" to 98% in Power options. (as 99% doesn't disable turbo). My old Acer Nitro, with i7-6700 and Nvidia 960M doesn't do this. I can limit the processor to base clocks but the GPU boosts normally.
    Can someone please shed some light on this?
     
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    Vasudev Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    You can get that in Power options > Advanced settings
     
  5. Fernando Pena

    Fernando Pena Notebook Enthusiast

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    Hi Connor, I have the exact same cpu as you. I can give you some tips on how to tweak it in throttlestop...
    If you prefer to contact me directly, send me a pm, it's a pleasure to help. No need for compensation of any kind, just wanna help.

    Btw, don't rely too much on benchmark scores, they don't tell the whole story.
     
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  6. unclewebb

    unclewebb ThrottleStop Author

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    How to Start ThrottleStop with Windows.
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/#post-6865107

    I realize that English is probably not your primary language but did you try to follow the guide? If you have to, use Google Translate. All of the problems you are having can be fixed if you follow the guide exactly.

    I believe the PP0 Power Limit is in watts but ultimately, it really does not matter. If increasing any of the various power limits can solve your throttling problem then increase them. After you increase a limit, do some testing. Did it help or did it make things worse?

    I do not think this is necessary anymore with the recent versions of ThrottleStop.

    I read the Notebook Check reviews on a regular basis and they often times see significant variations in Cinebench scores after the first run. Unfortunately, they never pursue this issue further and they never try to find out exactly why this is happening. When I see a throttling CPU, I want to get to the bottom of it like a dog working over a bone. If your Cinebench scores are varying that much, your CPU is either throttling because it is bouncing off one of the power or current limits or it is overheating or sometimes, a little of both.

    When Cinebench is running, open up ThrottleStop and open up the Limit Reasons window. If the MHz is in the toilet, there is likely going to be something glowing or flashing in red in Limit Reasons. Post a screenshot while your CPU is throttling. Show me how you have ThrottleStop setup. That is so much easier than me having to play 20 questions and gives me somewhere to start when making suggestions of what you can try.

    I think I need to add that line to my signature.

    Some users have had some DPTF success by using this feature.

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    If you have an 8750H and disable Turbo Boost, your CPU is left running at a little over half of its rated speed. I would not be surprised if the GPU has to slow down because the CPU can no longer keep up. If you need to slow the 8750H down a little bit because the factory forgot to include an adequate heatsink and fan, try going into the FIVR window and lower the Turbo Ratios a little bit. This might be a better compromise without having to completely disable turbo boost.
     
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  7. ConnorO

    ConnorO Newbie

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    Hi Fernando/UncleWebb

    That would be great if we could PM and discuss this and help to setup throttleshop, I am new to the forum so unsure how to PM you, can you PM please or tell me how.

    As requested by other members and to help you, please find attached pictures of my current settings (including screenshot of Limit Reasons)

    The only game I play Football Manager 2017, will benefit from best single core performance, if that information is useful.

    In addition, the ideal would be to find the optimum point, to give me best single core sustained performance, with the coolest temperature & Heat

    Many thanks, I really do appreciate the help


    Screenshots of 4 x Profiles on Main Screen

    Profile #1 = Max Performance Main Screen - Run on AC Power: (Cinebench R15 Score of 620)

    Throttles & Fans Aggressively loud!

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    Profile # 2 = Slightly Downclocked Performance Main Screen - Run on AC Power: (Cinebench R15 Score of 564)


    Throttles & Fans Aggresively loud!

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    Profile # 3 = Emergency Cool Reduction Main Screen - Run on AC Power: (Cinebench R15 Score of 428)

    Does not Throttle!

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    Profile # 4 = Battery Profile Main Screen - Run on Battery: (Cinebench R15 Score of 520)​

    Does Not Throttle!

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    FIVR Screen

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    Options Screen

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    Turbo Limits Screen

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  8. unclewebb

    unclewebb ThrottleStop Author

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    One observation. When Speed Shift is enabled, the Set Multiplier function on the main screen does not do anything as far as I know. Same with the Power Saver function on the main screen. Both are obsolete when Speed Shift is enabled.

    On another note, I just read this on the TechPowerUp forum.

    Are you all ready for the end of ThrottleStop? Microsoft might be in a bad mood again. They might be pulling the plug on this wonderful program.

    Edit - It is Windows Insider Preview Build 18342.8 which no longer supports ThrottleStop. If you need your ThrottleStop fix, do not download this version. Hopefully Microsoft gets all soft before the final release of Version 1903 and allows the WinRing0 driver to continue.

    https://blogs.windows.com/windowsex...ncing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-18342/
     
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  9. Mike B.

    Mike B. Newbie

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    This is totally F***ed up. My ThrottleStop is still functioning because I didn't join the Windows Insider program. I just hope that this STUPID restriction will never make it to an official build update. I liked Windows and Android because it gave it's users the freedom of deep modification and personalization but as it seems they're taking that away from us. I can already imagine myself in my 70s telling my grandchildren how great it was when we actually had the ownership and control of the devices that we paid for. To be honest I kinda could see this coming when I switched from Windows 7 to 8.
    Anyways, I don't know what this means for ThrottleStop and it's future, but I hope someone comes up with a workaround.
     
  10. unclewebb

    unclewebb ThrottleStop Author

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    The next official version will be called Windows 10 Version 1903, April 2019 Update. That is only a month away. The 1903 version number stands for the 3rd month of 2019 which is March 2019 which is right NOW! What Microsoft just shipped out on the Insider Preview slow ring is likely very close to what they plan to ship for the April 2019 Update. At this stage, new features are not added. They just work night and day trying to get as many of the bugs out as possible.

    If enough people send feedback to Microsoft, maybe they will change their mind. Realistically, the number of people that need to use a program that uses the 10 year old WinRing0 driver is insignificant to Microsoft. They have wanted to nuke the WinRing0 driver for a long time. At some point it will happen. Maybe it already has.

    It means one thing. Game over. ThrottleStop would be dead. It would free up a lot of time in my life but there would be a lot of unhappy laptop owners. Intel recently blocked Intel XTU from running on the low power ULV processors so things are not looking good.
     
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