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  1. Joikansai

    Joikansai Notebook Deity

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    This is quite confusing this time with a lot gpu varieties out there maxq, maxp, full mobile but if you comparing from one brand (i know only Blade) it should be a difference, 2060 won’t reach 2070maxq and 2080maxq performance. This is the comparison. About clock 2060 i saw different default clock (not 1100 though but higher than yours a bit) and chip memory manufactur also from micron on Blade 2060.
     
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    ///////////////////////////////WARNING!/////////////////////////////////////

    VBIOS flashing always comes with a risk of bricking.
    I do not hold responsible to anything if anything happens!

    ///////////////////////////////WARNING!////////////////////////////////////


    ==============Chapter 1: Backing up the vbios / Flashing the vbios ================

    First of all you need go here:
    https://www.techpowerup.com/download/bios-modding/

    and download the NVFLASH with Board ID mismatch disabled.

    Extract it to some where like C:\

    And then run cmd as administrator.

    Let's say you have downloaded one named nvflash64_patched_5.541.0 and you have extract it to C:\

    input the followings in the cmd:

    cd C:\nvflash64_patched_5.541.0\

    Enter nvflash64_patched_5.541.0.exe --save GiveName.rom

    Replace the GiveName with whatever name you want to give to it.

    It'll start saving the vbios.

    once it is done, type exit to exit the cmd.

    Now explore to C:\nvflash64_patched_5.541.0\

    You should see the .rom file you have just backed up.

    Look for the file size.

    For GS65 1070 Max-Q you should see 167KB.

    Well we are doing the above just to make sure yours is really 167KB and also to leave an original back up.

    If it is 167KB,

    Go to here: https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/206876/206876

    Download the vbios,

    the size of the vbios found in the link should be 166KB.

    As long it is within 166~167KB they should be fine, if it is less or more than that then I have no idea.

    Rename the vbios to whatever you feel the most comfortable to see.

    Move the full GTX1070 mobile vbios to C:\nvflash64_patched_5.541.0\

    Let's say you have named it GTX1070_115W.rom

    Now, open up device manager and disable the GTX1070 Max-Q

    And then Run cmd as administrator.

    input the followings in the cmd:

    cd C:\nvflash64_patched_5.541.0\

    Enter nvflash64_patched_5.541.0.exe -6 GTX1070_115W.rom

    It'll ask you the subvender is mismatched, you do want to proceed?

    Type in y to proceed.

    And then it'll ask you the Board ID is mismatched, type in capital letters YES to proceed.

    Type YES to proceed.

    And then it'll ask you do you want to replace the vbios with the new vbios, it'll show version of the vbios on there, do you want to proceed?

    Type y to proceed.

    And then it'll start flashing, if you hear any beep it's normal.

    Once it's done flashing it should say something like the followings:

    Verifying...

    Flash successfully.

    If you see this then you have flashed successfully.

    Now, open up device manager and enable the GTX1070 Max-Q.

    Reboot.

    See if the followings is performing normally

    1. Optimus
    2. Memory Clock
    3. Can you read the clock with GPU-Z?

    If the above are all normally then you have successfully flashed.

    If not it means you have activated Falcon reset.

    If you have activated Falcon reset,

    You'll need to restart the laptop twice.

    And then flash back to the original Max-Q vbios and use it until you have found a new full mobile vbios to try out.

    ==============End of Chapter 1 ================

    ==============Chapter 2: Limiting the wattage pulled =============

    Open up MSI Afterburner and perform the followings:

    MSI AB 1.png
    MSI AB 2.png
    MSI AB 3.png
    MSI AB 4.png

    As MSI Afterburner breaks Optimus,

    You can have MSI Afterburner run on start up and kill the MSI Afterburner using taskkill maybe 30 seconds after an user has logged in (You'll need to set up a task performing the taskkill in Task Scheduler).

    By the way you have to quit the game immediately and reload MSI AB again if you have noticed that the driver has been reset, otherwise you might see the wattage shoot to 120W, I'm not sure if 120W can be handled by the GS65 in long term use, as the GS65 has less R22 regulators.

    ==============End of Chapter 2 ================

    I believe the subvender ID isn't recorded into the vbios as the subvender ID mismatched warning will always prompt even when you are flashing your original vbios back to the GPU. Because the subvender ID held by the vbios is 0000-0000, so when compared to what's stored on the GPU it'll always be a mismatch. Therefore, I think it doesn't matter here.

    As for the RAM, I didn't compare what the GE73 had and was only focusing on the file size of the vbios when downloading it from the Techpowerup vbios collection so I can't give you an answer for that one.

    The score you saw on the 3DMark for the razer seems either it was simply an OC'd 90W variance with broken texture when running 3DMark, or a mobile 2060 flashed to a desktop 2060 with the same file size and limited using MSI Afterburner, or ran 3DMark through an e-GPU, what I know from last year that 3DMark doesn't know if you run it on an e-GPU which is really disturbing sometimes, not sure if that's fixed recently.
     
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  3. Hyp3rSoniX

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    Thx man, very helpfull!

    But I'm kinda scared from that 'driver crashing and frying the gpu' thing xd

    I wished there would have been an actual 100watt Vbios... But I guess we can call ourselves lucky to have access to other VBios at all.

    The ability to mod the VBios would have been really nice too not gonna lie! Then we wouldn't even need Afterburner and stuff like that.

    Btw. what is this 'falcon reset'? I tried to look it up on Google but couldn't find anything...
     
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    It's a checksum verification developed by NVIDIA, it's called the Falcon Security, but I think it maybe more than just the checksum, they have been using it ever since the Maxwell generation.
     
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    Wtf my original vbios is 167kb... Am I fckd now?
     
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    It's fine, the one I dumped from my GS65 is 167KB too, forgot that part :D Oops! It's just that the vbios posted in my post is 166KB, I'll edit the post.
     
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    Hmm Interesting... I flashed this one: https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/206356/206356
    and now it wont detect my connected monitor on the mini display port nor the hdmi...

    But Optimus works... and GPU-Z is able to read the GPU /-memory clock...

    Guess Imma try the MSI GE 73 one provided by you.
     
  8. xLima

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    How safe is it? I am used to soft bricking on android phones. It's a pain in the ass but for the most part recoverable.

    From what I gather you just constantly refresh until given an opportunity to reflash.

    I think I read somewhere someone wasn't able to reflash their stock bios.

    Also, last question, are we still able to boot?. I assume if flash fails you still have iGPU to use to navigate and undo everything.

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  9. Hyp3rSoniX

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    Ok the GE73 one is able to output vid on the displayport. Now I have a Max-Q on Steroids xd

    If anyone knows a 90 Watt VBios that doesn't let the gpu loose functionality, I'm interested!

    I'm kinda scared by this 115/120 Watt thing...
     
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    Not sure what's the next logical step. The RTX2060 is already a full mobile version on 80W.

    I am unable to source a 90W that matches memory, subvendor, etc.

    I am able to find a desktop RTX2060 MSI that matches almost perfectly. But I would go from 80W to 160W.

    A bit scared.

    Not sure if I should try flashing the Asus RTX2060 90W or the desktop MSI 2060 160W.

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