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  1. ryzeki

    ryzeki Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    What are you talking about Lunatik? The GT75 is already on near the 30K graphics score in firestrike. There is some catching up to do. But you have a PSU limit, so the GT will have the advantage there :)

    I used to think similarly to you regarding Max Q, but one thing I do appreciate is that it runs considerably more efficient and lower power usage. I am happy with my current GTX1080 performance, that the 2080 max q doesn't bother me. Of course I would never claim I have a 2080 like marketing from nvidia would have it. My 2080 is cripple and will always be limited in comparison.

    Just as the current GE series still has thermal and power limits that only GT can overcome :)
     
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  2. Lunatik

    Lunatik Notebook Evangelist

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    After reviewing the recent posts in the GT75 thread ok I was mistaken. However 29289 isnt 30k. I'm not really dissing the maxq, its all on form factor. If you want the slim with less performance that's a personal choice.

    https://www.3dmark.com/fs/18284911
    So the GT75 2080 MXM has less than 1000 points on the GE75 in graphics. Less then expected imo. Not hating, just really happy how strong the GE75 2080 holds up :). Fat bezels, two power bricks, very large footprint for 1000 points? Nah.
     
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  3. ryzeki

    ryzeki Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    Yeah, that's why I said near 30k, not only 30k haha.

    Yeah the Max Q is an nvidia created mess and they will suffer from it, but it does have its place. They should totally named them something else though. Considering the 2080MQ is more like a desktop RTX2060.

    The GT is "only" 1k points higher, for now, but it does not have the same limits. The dual PSU will keep the 2080 and i9 happy as some insane users go put numbers too silly to fight back. But that has always been niche. When all is said and done, there will be an extra 20% or more performance at insane power requirements. It gets silly.

    The GE75 is already strong, it's the baseline. Below is the GS, above is the GT. I am actually surprised that the 150w TDP seems to affect performance very little at least in benchmarks, compared to desktops with quite more TDP.
     
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    myxpeakz Notebook Enthusiast

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    good to know what GE75 is capable of..
     
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  5. Kevin

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    GE75 would take over immediately, if MSI gave it G-Sync. Hell I'd trade in my GT73 for one if it had it.

    MSI is just charging too much for this series for it to lack that feature. $2000+ is a premium gaming line, G-Sync is mandatory, except in the thin and lights.
     
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    Lurker Below Notebook Guru

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    What I find *especially* galling is that there can be multiple variants with different wattage, clocks, and performance but under the same exact 20xx Max-Q model name with nothing to specify which.
     
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    Lunatik Notebook Evangelist

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    But you don’t need g-sync at high frames.
     
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    Jalen9762 Notebook Consultant

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    Yes exactly there is no need for g-sync the screen can screen is at 144hz

    Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk
     
  9. Kevin

    Kevin Egregious

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    1. You aren't guaranteed to be maxing out the refresh rate in every game. Then your choice is to run v-sync or risk tearing. Or cap the framerate and lose the advantage of the HRF screen.

    2. Time goes by. As games become more taxing, especially when the new consoles drop, framerates will tank. Again, you have to run v-sync or cap the framerate.

    3. Whether you think you "need" it doesn't always matter. A premium product requires premium features to justify the price point. With a GTX 2080 this laptop costs between $2,799 and $2,999. Not having G-sync is inexcusable, whether you care about it or not. High end gaming laptops are like sports cars, some amenities have to be there just because.

    It's a product line wide issue MSI has. They sent me this spreadsheet of their entire RTX lineup. Of 37 laptops, 7 have G-Sync. Look at the average price in there. The corporate decision that G-Sync is a GT series exclusive is madness.
     
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    ryzeki Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    Does GE75 use optimus? It would explain the lack of gsync, but I agree with Kevin that it should be there. I mean even now nvidia supports freesync... which is laptop gsync :p

    Gsync also helps with frame variance, which is independent of the refreshrate, so even in 144hz it could be a bit of help in some cases.

    Maybe for next gen GE75.
     
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