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  1. kshnandi

    kshnandi Notebook Consultant

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    72-73C with undervolt along with fans at 100%. The clocks are dependent on games. For games like DotA, I get clocks around 1700-1800MHz, and for stuff like BFV, I get 1450-1550MHz. The card is definitely power limited. But the other problem of flashing the chip with a higher TDP is that the motherboard power supply lines will have to deal with more power than its designed for. While the GPU may be able to handle the extra power, I don't quite know if the motherboard will.
     
  2. seanwee

    seanwee Notebook Evangelist

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    Vrms are typically overspecced to reduce their heat emission. Say, a 4 phase 50A vrm may be able to handle 200A but typically people run parts that use 80-100A on them because its more efficient at non-peak loads.

    I'd say 10-20w extra would be no sweat
     
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  3. unavailable

    unavailable Notebook Enthusiast

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    Currently the only way to flash a vbios that isn't signed by NVIDIA for the exact gpu (in your case only other notebook 2060s) is by manually flashing the bios chip on the board. I think I am in the company of many others in that I am willing to get the tools to try this, as long as someone else takes the plunge to try it first and document the results.

    There are other factors as well, my old desktop had a CPU with a motherboard vrm setup that should have supported it but since I was water cooling and thus didn't have much airflow on the vrms they started to overheat, under preform, and cause power limit throttling.

    I wonder why MSI took a conscious decision to not go beyond 80W for any of the offered GPU configurations; the 1660 ti, 2060, 2070 maxQ, and 2080 maxQ are all 80W.
     
  4. specialist7

    specialist7 Notebook Evangelist

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    Just got my GS65 w/ RTX 2060 last week. Have had it for over a month but I had my bro send it to me while I was away overseas. Still reading from page 25 onward. Can anyone speed me up lol?

    So just weekend I replaced all the thermal pads from 0.5-2.0mm sizes with Thermal Grizzly Minus Pad 8, some of the ones preinstalled weren't even touching despite "newer" design with the added heatpipe. Replaced the stock tim with Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut. Didn't go to the LM route atm since I move my laptop a lot. Did a TS -0.150-0.160~ and so a few C shaved off. With the iGPU (had to uninstall Nahimic) I'm seeing a good 5-6HR battery estimate with tweaks and lower brightness you can probably get away with 7-8 YMMV.

    Purpose of the laptop? Well now that I have a desktop then most of my gaming has been moved to there so the laptop is more for light/casual gaming but more for productivity, internet, browsing.. media on the go. Might be putting up some VMs on an external to do software testing on and be able to plug in back and forth from laptop and desktop.

    Still looking at sleeves or bag that will fit the laptop and possibly the PSU and wireless mouse. Might be looking into skin or cover for it but they seem to be very limited. Might be adding another NVMe in the future as well as putting in more ram, but for now maybe tweaking up the ram, overclock? tighter timings? rewrite xmp? anyways back to reading the rest of the thread lol. Thanks!
     
  5. seanwee

    seanwee Notebook Evangelist

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    No need to rewrite XMP, just hold left alt, right control and right shift then press F2 when you're in bios to get into advanced bios.

    Once you're in go to Advanced and down to overclocking. Ram overclocking setting can be changed there. Increase uncore offset to +125mv for better stability and you can start overclocking.

    You can also remove the cpu power limit allowing it to boost to 4.0Ghz all core.

    Go to Advanced > Power & Performance > CPU - Power Management Control > CPU VR Settings > Core/IA VR Settings

    Set IMON Slope to 50
    Set IMON Offset to 31999
    Set IMON Prefix to "-",

    And you're all set.
     
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  6. maverickar15

    maverickar15 Notebook Consultant

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    Quick question about Optimus.

    Since I have many dGPU monitoring apps running, it seems like I have to close all of these to reliability get optimus to work.
    -MSI Afterburner
    -HWInfo (yes, even this)
    -Steam
    -ThrottleStop (only if NVIDIA GPU being monitored)
    -Dragon Center

    If I quit all of these then the power light will turn white. What is really confusing is sometimes the light will turn white w/o closing some of these apps (especially ThrottleStop and HWInfo) but that is not the always the case. Sometimes I have to put the laptop to sleep after closing all of the apps above then bring back for Otimus to work.

    I had Razer Blade before, and all I needed to close was MSI Afterburner for the Optimus to kick in. I just love seeing that battery estimated 7+ hours remaining as soon as power is unplugged. On my MSI GS65, it is usually 3 hours because Optimus is not kicking in automatically until I close other apps as well. Then the battery estimation updates to 6+ hours.

    I have configured NVIDIA control panel to force using iGPU for all of the apps listed above (and also all other apps that I've seen that tried to use dGPU, even web browsers and Microsoft Photos for crying out loud!) but unless I quit apps listed above which monitor dGPU, optimus is not guaranteed.

    I do have NVIDIA notifications panel listed there is nothing listed there. For some reason Dragon Center is still occasionally there even though I set it to use iGPU only in the control panel. Closing the dragon center fixes this, but I have to do this manually. I do have Silent Option running still so fan control is not a problem. What is really perplexing is, I sometimes have to open Dragon Center THEN close it for it to go into Optimus - otherwise it won't even w/o Dragon Center running in the background.

    Anyone else have this issue? I can close everything whenever I'm on battery but I'm getting tired of it.

    Edited to add - I'm using whatever is the NVIDIA's latest DCH drivers, not the one listed under MSI support website. I will try that and report back...
     
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  7. specialist7

    specialist7 Notebook Evangelist

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    Not sure if they fixed it or released the test version of Nahimic but I uninstalled mine to get Optimus to work.
     
  8. maverickar15

    maverickar15 Notebook Consultant

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    If anyone is wondering, I went back to Nvidia driver 417.77 that was on MSI website and now as soon as I exit Afterburner the led turns white.
    Running dragon center in the fore ground will turn it amber, but minimizing it turns it back to white, so now it is working as intended.

    ETA - Nevermind. Worked for a while but after a couple of reboots I'm back where I was with newer driver.


    ETA2 if anyone cares. The only thing that works consistently is reverting the profile to default on MSI Afterburner before exiting the app. As long as nothing is shown to be actually running in the NVIDIA GPU activity notification, if I reset the MSI afterburner profile settings before closing it then it reverts to iGPU. Sometimes it switches to iGPU even when power is plugged, sometimes it will only do so when I unplug it.

    I noticed this happening when I switch Dragon Center profile modes because that seemed to revert dGPU settings to default (and subsequently running hotter when playing games w/o manually applying undervolt again) while at the same time allowing the laptop to use iGPU.
     
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  9. zipperi

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    I do have a similar list on my old GT70 - had to set those executables to run on Intel to get white light. And some more, too - MailWasher, Windows pics, whatever. It was quite a task to hunt down those that tried to use Nvidia by default even when the preferred GPU was Intel.
     
  10. N123

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    I had read some of the other threads about bios editing and saw occasional posts of people messing up their computers/too risky for me. This seems pretty low risk/easy to try?--what are the main risks of this?

    Thanks,
    N123
     
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