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  1. Ekami

    Ekami Notebook Enthusiast

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    Oh ok sorry I didn't understand, I thought it was an option in a third party software or something lol
     
  2. kshnandi

    kshnandi Notebook Guru

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    I'm not particularly knowledgeable about this. But the Intel RST drivers can be used for the samsung nvme ssd? Does it give similar performance? The MSI support page lists the normal RST driver and RST F6 driver. Which one to install?
     
  3. xLima

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    I have since tried this. It doesn't always work. It's called process explorer not monitor. You go to view, select columns and select GPU check boxes.

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    http://forum.notebookreview.com/index.php?posts/10812428

    @hackness wrote this guide. Just follow the layout. You will get there.

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    Was going to flash my RTX 2060 80W with the Asus 90W; however subvendor and memory are different so holding off for now. If someone could provide feedback (for or against) it would be greatly appreciated.[​IMG][​IMG]

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  6. Neothane

    Neothane Notebook Enthusiast

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    Hey everyone....had to duck out for a while....(had to get some real work done).

    Anyway, I ended up working with Zoltan from HID and he helped me through some testing. Here were his recommendations:

    1) Use BIOS undervolting. Do not use throttlestop because it may conflict. If you really want to use throttlestop, then set the undervolting in BIOS to 0. I set mine to -64mv. 65 was the most Zoltan has seen reliably on the new GS65, and I did try -65 and -70 but had issues. I seem to be running stable at -64.

    2) Don't run CPU and GPU test at same time in Aida. Yes, you can certainly test them at the same time to see how high you can get, but he said that is not realistic when gaming. You might see some games use one more than another, but rarely do they ever max out both. You will see 90+ temps when you do that because the heat pipes are trying to share the load.

    3) Temps in High 80s (even 90/91) is OK. Today's CPUs are better at handling higher temps than before. I personally would prefer to keep mine to the mid to low 80s rather than the upper 80s. His suggestion was a CoolerMaster Note Plus U3 if I want to keep the temps down further. For now, mine is just elevated.

    Now, what I have found is interesting. Some games like Witcher and Assassins Creed seem to raise my CPU temps more than my other games (Grimm Dawn, For Honor, Dark Souls III, Dragon's Dogma). I would hit 91C-92C during normal gameplay. But...what I found was that if I turned off Turbo, I would loose maybe 3-5 FPS but stay in the mid to upper 70s. All the rest of the games would stay in the 70s or maybe lower 80s with Turbo on.

    So, I uninstalled ThrottleStop, Silent Option and AfterBurner and re-installed Dragon Center. I did this so that I could try out the different performance modes and see if any of them disabled Turbo. I also used it to set my fan speeds to 0, 60, 70, 85, 90, 100. Unfortunately, none of the performance modes (except ECO) disable Turbo in CPU. This was not an option.

    After a bit more research, I discovered that adjusting your power plan settings in Windows to something other than 100% (i.e. 98%) would prevent Turbo from enabling. Bingo! Found what I needed.

    So I created two new power plans in windows:
    • Boost - Duplicate Performance leave CPU at 100%
    • No Boost - Duplicate Performance, change CPU to 98%
    Now, I switch to No Boost for Witcher and Assasins Creed and can game all day and keep temps low, with no throttling.

    Here is my No Boost power plan:

    NoBoost.png


    Oh, I did end up leaving Dragon Center installed, but only use it now for controlling the Fan speeds.

    In summary:
    • Adjust undervolting in BIOS (in my case -64mv)
    • Set fan speeds to 0, 60, 70, 85, 90, 100
    • User Windows power plans to enable/disable Turbo
    • Elevate/Fan assist laptop cooling
    Now my GS65 is cool and fast with no throttling! Max temp during intensive gaming...87C...with a nominal temp of 77-79C. Fans are not roaring either.

    Now...all I have left is to figure out how to maximize battery....here we go again!
     
  7. Neothane

    Neothane Notebook Enthusiast

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    Oh, one other very useful utility.

    Check out Quick CPU (https://coderbag.com/product/quickcpu)

    It is great because it shows you exactly what you need to know about what CPUs are running, what power plan is operating and even lets you adjust your Turbo Index and Core Parking Index (which is essential for shutting down cores in battery mode).

    I am not sure if this is a complete solution in maximizing battery, but it certainly is helping identify where everything is at in a single easy to read screen.

    I did some gaming for a while just to confirm. Here is what it looks like for my current config.

    QuickCPU.png

    Here is a screenshot after playing Assasins Creed with No Boost. Approx 56FPS on Max settings. Only hit 70C. On Turbo, I only get about 60-61 FPS, so it is not a huge difference; just the temps hit 91-92C.

    AssasinsCreed.png
     
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    Thanks for sharing this. Very helpful! Did you do the adjustments in BIOS for AC/DC load lines, etc.?
     
  9. sa7ina

    sa7ina Notebook Consultant

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    My 2 cents...
    It's been a week since i bought this little beast.
    Starved the CPU as far as i could.
    Maximum fully stable undervolt! (tested with stress test and 3d benchmarks)
    It looks like the CPU temps are just under the TT limit under full load for 5 minutes. (though tested it for long hours)
    @Neothane i think you can push it a little harder!
    And i know BIOS voltage changes are a scary thing. (Did not even touched the FAN curves yet myself!)

    Anyway, in my use case (AI Object Detection On-The-Go) this machine is a great powerful working tool!
    As always 10X!... All of you!
    This thread helped choose my first (REAL!) AI mobile machine.

    Screenshot from 2019-03-15 14-28-13.png
     
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    - Works fine for Samsung NMVE SSD. The Intel driver you're installing is just the host controller on the motherboard which is an Intel spec.

    - Performance should be similar, I'm told the Intel one should be better but I never benched the SSD.

    - I couldn't install the "normal" RST driver, running the setup .exe file would error out saying "hardware does not match manufacturer's ID" or something along those lines. Manually installing the F6 one worked fine. I think they're the same except one is in a .exe format and the other is in a .zip format that you have to install manually in device manager. If you look at the Intel download website for "Intel® Rapid Storage Technology (Intel® RST) User Interface and Driver" it's offered in .zip or .exe and the .zip format has the exact files as the F6 version on MSI's support page. Also (bizarrely), the version number offered on the MSI website (v17) is higher than the one offered on the official Intel website (v16.8), so I downloaded the version from the MSI support site.
     
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