Discussion in 'MSI Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by layjohn, Oct 12, 2012.
You've changed in UEFI bios option?
Make sure you have this option UEFI enable
Yes that setting was ok.
I found the problem!! Finally !
So, the image i was using to make a usb bootable with rufus was bigger than 4gb and every time i tryed,i needed to choose nfts partition and looks like gx do not boot from nfts usb...
I make a download of a smaller windows image and chosed uefi gpt fat32...... and it worked!!
Now i finally could use the msi enabler to unlock bios hidden options because it just run on uefi mode.
Just let me wait for my 5750m es to start overclocking!
I see in some french forums people who overclocked the 5750m es up to 4ghz
Demo work for me stable 60 fps max settings on gx60 1-AC apu A10 4600m , no OC , no PS Check . CCC - 13.4 . Does the full version have different requirements?
Would you people recommend a seller refurbished GX60 (stock) or a new barebone 16F4 w/ 770m that takes 4th gen quads?
Get the intel machine you will be much happier . I own a GX60 and replaced it with a Clevo i7-3720qm and a HD8970m 4gb. It does everything better and on the games I have been playing it averages 10-15 fps more per game . Example Assetto Corsa 44fps max with a A8 ES @ 3.7mhz Intel is over 60fps average at stock clocks All the graphics setting were the same .
Just like I promised I post my tutorial (still in progress) about upgrading to A-10 5750m ES and overclocking it.
This tutorial is written with an assumption, that people with no technical skills with notebooks will want to use it aswell.
Reason for this tutorial.
I myself am an avid gamer.
When GX Series was first announced, I though like many others that this will be a true mobile gaming solution, that does not rely on the best components on the market, but instead is well designed and optimized to run games much better than it's hardware specification would suggest - and what is also important - for a good price.
Unfortunately... this was not the case and not long after the first generation of GX laptops hit the market people started noticing the lackluster peformance in many games spite the very (and still) powerful 7970m/8970m GPU inside.
First blame came towards bad Enduro optimalization, but test and research confirmed that the CPU is the culprit.
In a general schematic - GX Series is a odd and bold attempt from MSI at combining top-tier GPU with a weak/cheap CPU from AMD.
A-10 is the top mobile CPU series from AMD, but compared to Intel solutions it falls way behind todays standards.
Many have tried and all failed when it came to bypassing the turbo mode of the stock A-10s in order to overclock this CPU.
This was a letdown since due to the effective internal cooling in GX there is a lot of thermal room for overclocking of the CPU witch is unavailable on stock A-10s.
Luckly the ES (Engineering Sample) version of A-10 CPU became quite widely available on the internet auctions for purchase.
This made it possible to finally boost the overall performance of any laptop from GX series, because the GPU is used in a noticeably larger % after overclocking the ES.
The GPU gets more information from a faster CPU to process - so all-in-all the bottleneck effect caused by the CPU on the GPU is mitigated by a noticable percent.
A lot of folks who want to upgrade their GX do not have the proper know-how or are too confused what to do to install their ES and overclock it.
I searched, but I couldn't find any well written tutorial on the internet, that covers this entire procedure, so I decided to make such tutorial for open use.
1) First thing you need to do is changing the stock A-10 to ES, so you have to take the lower lid off to access the components of GX and cooling.
If this is your first time taking of the lower lid you might notice it is a bit difficult or you may feel like the lid will break into pieces due to using rather big force to pull it off.
The trick I used was using the top of a flat screwdriver and sliding it under the first clamp and gently prying the lid up until the first clamp of the lid went off. You can do the same thing, also don't be scared to use a little force when prying the clamps, as long as you do this with patience you should be fine.
2) Inside the GX you will notice that the cooling is divided into 2 parts.
One part is devoted to the CPU and the other one is devoted to the GPU, so unless you want to repaste your GPU aswell (7970m/8970m/x290M) you do not need to take off the GPU cooling.
So, for the purpose of the CPU upgrade we concentrate only on the CPU cooling.
First you should unscrew the cooling fan witch is in the down-left corner of the case, it has only 1 screw (do not unscrew the tiny screws on the fan, because those do not hold the fan to the motherboard).
After you unscrew the fan, unplug the power cable from the motherboard that powers the fan (try to do this carefully).
3) Now you need to unscrew the CPU cooling and gently take it off.
When taking off the CPU cooling, try not to damage the thermal pads (they look like white "Play-Doh")
For example, here is a random picture of a thermal pad:
Once you take off the cooling you will see the CPU, but first you need to unscrew it's locking mechanism, for this you need a flat screwdriver.
Unscrew the CPU, by using a little force in the direction depicted on the mechanism.
Now you can take out the CPU and place your A-10 5750m ES inside. Make sure you are inserting the CPU in the right direction (just take picture of how your stock A-10 was put in to know in witch direction the triangle on the ES edge should point). This is all to make sure you don't damage the pins of the ES ! M'kay?
Now lock-in the inserted ES with a flat screwdriver.
4) Apply thermal paste on your ES, the rule here is - the more does not mean better - so apply a small graing of paste at the center of the ES (make sure you don't push the syringe too firmly or you will shoot a lot of thermal paste at your GX's innards)
You can use things like old credit card/membership card ect. to spread the thermal paste evenly at the entire glossy center of the ES, so that it not visible and covered with a thin layer of paste.
5) Place the cooling back, so carefully position the entire part so that thermal pads are back at their original place and the ES is covered, by screwing in the cooler.
I would advise to first screw in the area covering the ES, then the rest, but this is just my liking to make sure the copper cooler part evenly spreads the thermal paste.
Put back the fan, screw it in, and plug it again to the motherboard.
Now place back the lower lid and set it into its lamps back, screw it in firmly.
6) Now you shoud run your GX again.
You will notice, that the system now behaves as if there was no CCC driver at all - this is normal since CCC configured itself for a stock A-10, not ES.
Download the "Display Driver Uninstaller" from Guru3D and newest CCC drivers to have them ready on your desktop.
Use DDU to completely wipe off all AMD drivers of your system.
For this run the program and when it asks you to reboot in safe mode - click yes.
After restart the DDU will ask you automaticly what to uninstall - select AMD drivers and click "complete clean-up".
Now install the CCC drivers and reboot.
Your desktop should be normal again.
7) Now is the best part of ES - overclocking.
The first thing I want to point out is that overclocking of ES is a thing of experimenting and trial/error method.
Ways of OCing the ES are a result of scrutiny I did along with many other GX users on other forum.
If you have Windows 7 as your system - I would stick with the PSCheck method.
If you have Windows 8/8.1 as your system - You will have to use AMDOverDrive, because PSCheck does not work on these system (it crashes at start).
8) First thing however should be the upgrade of your BIOS to Hitman Edition (only if you have the GX60-1AC with A-10 4600m).
This is not obligatory, but should improve stability, since A-10 5750m ES is Richland and GX60-1AC uses Trinity BIOS.
Here is a set of upgrade files to GX Hitman Edition for those with GX60-1AC. (WARNING - these BIOS files are for Windows 7 users only!)
This contains all you need for upgrade along with a proper modded flash.bat that will skip the ROMID check (otherwise BIOS will not upgrade due to failed ROMID check)
AFTER you create a proper pendrive for BIOS upgrade with installed environment (use the guide in the GX series BIOS download section on the official MSi website, this is a legible easy guide on how to create such a pendrive with this environment and it also has the files needed for that ready for download) drag all the files from the Hitman BIOS package above to the pendrive.
Now you need to restart and enter BIOS (F10 in my case, press it right after notebook starts to bootup) and select your pendrive to boot up first in the boot order menu in BIOS.
Save and exit with restarting of the notebook once again.
Your pendrive should start to bootup. Now just like in the guide from MSi site type in commands to lead up to FLASH.BAT on your pendrive.
Your BIOS should now upgrade - do not turn off the notebook in any case durning this process.
After the BIOS is fully upgraded boot up again. Enter the BIOS to loadup default factory settings, save and exit.
9) Both GX60-1AC and Hitman GX60 users will have locked up BIOS. If you want to unlock the BIOS to have further access to turbo mode on the ES, you need to unlock the BIOS with another set of files.
Go to BIOS and enable booting up the pendrive with UEFI mode ON, just search in the BIOS around Tabs to find this option.
After reboot the pendrive will ask you with a warning whether you want to use this unlock files - select/type "yes".
Bootup once again - when you enter BIOS you SHOULD notice that there is a LOT of new Tabs and options within them now. Your BIOS is unlocked now!
10) Now I will present overcloking to Win7 users.
You do not need to turn off the turbo mode in the BIOS. As a matter of fact, you never have to mess with it, because with the PSCheck (witch as Win7 user you will be using) route you will always be manually turning off the turbo mode at a given step everytime your GX60 boots up again.
First, you will have to download PSCHeck 3.4.1 (newest version). The program is not being updated anymore and links to download it are hard to find, but I did that part for you folks too:
PSCheck download link: http://www.overclockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/PST_3_4_1.zip
The use of the program can seem difficult for many people, but the truth is with a ready .cfg file you won't need to do anything.
The .cfg files below are tested configuration schemes that work with given frequencies (proper voltage for every given frequency, so that the ES won't occasionally give BSODs).
Download these files and backup them right away - you will be using these files from now on to get OC on A-10 5750m ES with no problems everytime you boot up you GX.
PSCheck OC configuration files: http://www.speedyshare.com/F3nP2/GX60-ES-OC.rar
Now all you need to do is install PSCheck (I suggest an easy directory, like C:\PSCheck\
Place your .cfg files in a folder of your choice, but I suggest either your desktop or PSCheck native folder.
Now start PSCheck, then click "open" (folder icon) at the top of the program window and finally select .cfg file you will to run, so either 3.6 Ghz or 3.7 Ghz version.
Right after you do that PSCheck will... crash - this is normal !
The OC however is still not in effect, to make it work you must manually disable turbo mode of the ES.
The best way to do this is through a simple, but useful program called AmdMsrTweaker.
You can download it here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?285742-AmdMsrTweaker-New-Versions
After you download it, install it in a given folder - I suggest a folder named "Turbo", so you get C:\Turbo
Now run cmd (use windows search in start panel to find the cmd.exe). You should make a shortcut to cmd, so that everytime you need it, it will be available from desktop.
Now - after you used PSCheck in the way described above - you should open AmdMsrTweaker in CMD.
If you did as I told you and placed AmdMsrTweaker in C:\Turbo, you should be doing this:
Otherwise, at the 1st and 2nd cmd line you must point the drive letter in first line and folder with AmdMsrTweaker inside in the second line.
And that's it!
Your A-10 5750m ES should now be overclocked!
To test, if the OC is in effect, run Cinebench 11.5 and see what score you get.
If your score is around 2.85 pts for 3.6 Ghz .cfg file or around 3.00 pts for 3.7 .cfg file - you have successfully overclocked your A-10 5750m ES !
The overclock will stay in effect all the time untill you turn off your GX60.
After starting up GX60 again - follow this simple scheme:
1) run PScheck
2) open prefered .cfg rile in PSCheck
3) PSCheck will crash, wait about 2-3 seconds before you close it manually
4) run CMD and type
- "cd c:\"
- "cd turbo"
- "amdmsrtweaker turbo=0"
11) Guide for Win8 users.
When it comes to Win8 PSCheck has issues, but you can run it if you set it to run in compatibility mode (thanks for the info consolero4ever !)
To do this make the program run as executable software administrator.
Right click on the icon of PSCheck, then "Properties", then go to the "Compatibility" tab and check "Run this program as an administrator" and apply.
You should be able to run the program run, proceed as depicted above for Win7 users.
If you still cannot run PSCheck, then your best bet would be AMDOverDrive.
In this method you will have to disable both turbo mode and Powernow feature in BIOS.
Since now you do have unlocked BIOS that won't be a problem, just venture through tabs in BIOS untill you find proper options.
When looking for turbo mode in BIOS search for subsection in the general CPU configuration settings that has following options:
Now change the CPB from Auto to Disabled so that now it shows:
Now your turbo mode for A-10 5750m ES is permanently turned off until you turn it on again in BIOS.
Next you also need to disable Powernow in BIOS. Look for it and switch it off.
Now you boot up your GX and open up AMDOverDrive, in there you can manually set both frequencies and voltages for the CPU.
From trial and error, we have deducted that stable voltages for A10 5750m ES are:
~1.23V @ 3.6 Ghz
~1.24-5V @ 3.7 Ghz
~1.26V @ 3.8 Ghz
French users claim to use these voltages:
1.188V @ 3.3Ghz and 3.4GHz
1.238v @ 3.8Ghz
1.269V @ 3.9GHz
1,294v @ 4GHz
1,314v @ 4.2Ghz
The vaules may vary, because all CPUs are different and so are ESs, you will eventually get to know realtime capabilities of your ES once you test it long enough.
Set given frequencies and voltages and then run a test in Prime95 to see if acceptable temperatures/stability/frequencies are there.
AMDOverDrive allows you to experiment, so do it and post your discoveries/conclustions here on the forum for others
1) My GX60 freezes almost everytime I turn it off when I used overclocking.
This is normal and acts as a side effect of using an non retail CPU and overclocking it.
Your system will boot up with no problems after this, so when a freeze happens just press and hold the power button until your GX forcefully powers off.
After you boot up GX it will simply ask if it should run in safe mode. Just select normal mode as if nothing happened.
I will continue to update this guide soon ! so be patinet, I'll answer all questions
2) My GX60 does not run faster even when I did everything step-by-step in the tutorial (PSCheck method)
From time to time A-10 5750m ES will not speed up to 3.6/3.7 ghz even when everything was done exactly as above in the tutorial.
In order to measure, if the frequences are as expected use AMDOverDrive after you turned off the turbo in CMD.
You have to use the standalone version of AMDOverDrive (not the one in CCC panel !)
Do not do/set/change anything in AMDOverDrive, just go straightforward to the "CPU Status" Tab and see if target frequencies are indeed met in real time.
So in the "Frequency" line all 4 cores should view around 3600 mhz or 3700 mhz.
If they do not meet target frequency, then keep AMDOverDrive open and open up CMD, then use AmdMsrTweaker again by turning the turbo back on this time, so in the 3rd line you type amdmsrtweaker turbo=1.
After few seconds turn the turbo off again (so use amdmsrtweaker turbo=0) and see if the frequencies are finally as they should, if not - rinse and repeat until they do.
If nothing helps, reboot GX and set OC again, then see in AMDOverDrive, if frequencies are correct.
3) The temperatures I get on my A-10 5750m ES are way too high. Why do others have lower temperatures with the same frequency and voltage?
This is normal when you paste a new CPU.
The thermal paste needs some time until it starts cooling as good as it can.
Usually this can take up to 2 weeks of using the notebook until you start getting lower temperatures.
Also a cooling pad is very helpful as it can take a few degrees off.
As long as you do not exceed 90 'C on your ES, you should be fine.
[UPDATE - 7th November 2014]
One of the forum members has created a script, that should make it even easier to overclock A-10 5750m ES, thanks goes to consolero4ever.
Below I paste his message:
"I created a script ".bat" that simplifies the whole process of using overclock with "amdmsrtweeker+setpci",(you dont need pscheck,overdrive or baredit), which allows you to:
1. overclock (put your multiplier and voltage and it will do it by yourself)
2. Remove the overclock (restore factory settings to restart or shut down without problems or bsods)
3. To lock to 3.2ghz (for standard processors or "ES")
4. Remove lock 3.2ghz
5. Change TSC to HPET to correct overclock errors with transparencys in windows 7 if you have it.
6. Disable or restoration of ULPs in windows registry.
All this is well explained and with a simple "menu", is a lot easy to use, try it, it is very convenient. It have all you need to overclock with the best method and in only 2 clicks.
English version (thanks to PornFlakes for his translation and to leeloyd for his knowlege):
Just unzip, copy the "overclock" folder in the root of c: and copy the shortcut on the desktop. Enjoy it, if you are happy using it, do a comment here."
All thanks goes not only to me, but rather numerous people from a polish forum, who all together along with me were figuring out step by step how to squeeze as much as possible out of GX.
Special thanks to (all people from www.nhl.pl forum site):
- LisuPoland (PolishGamer)
- and many other fine polish forum members who chipped-in their ideas about utilization of GX series.
This tutorial will be finished and then constantly updated, so PM me with any questions you might have about this upgrade for GX series.
Great guide LisuPoland !! Try to post the gains in games as well of before and after. God bless
Glad I can be of help!
I got this laptop a few months ago and I am satisfied for the price I paid. However, I am unable to find a proper sleeve or something that can protect it while not at home. I had bought a sleeve from HP (16") that almost fit, but I just couldnt quite get it in to close the zippers, too bad I didnt check the measurements before... until now I didnt need it either though, but now university starts and I think it'd be good to have something when taking it there almost every day. The 395 x 267 x 55mm specifications seem to be rather unusual, especially the thickness and I dont really want to get a 17-18" which leaves a lot of space on some sides.
So, any advice? What do you use to protect this (or other MSI laptop of similar dimensions) when taking it with you?
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