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The hopeful of keeping MXM 3.0b alive thread!

Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by King of Interns, Aug 17, 2016.

  1. CyberSardinha

    CyberSardinha Notebook Enthusiast

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    Why are MXM cards so expensive?? :/
     
  2. MahmoudDewy

    MahmoudDewy Gaming Laptops Master Race!

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    Human greed.
     
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  3. TheReciever

    TheReciever D! For Dragon!

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    There are quite a few factors, but if you had to find one abstract attribute, that would be it.
     
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  4. SMGJohn

    SMGJohn Notebook Consultant

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    Its the way Capitalism works, lower the demand, lower the production output, higher the price.
    Higher demand, higher production output, lower the price.

    This is one of many reasons why cheaper product usually utilise older technology were production lines already exists for and/or parts are abundedly available.
    The system is driven by greed and profit motives after all.

    This is why I cannot comprehend why the FFF embedded MXM cards are separate from consumer ones instead of just keeping them under one process and therefore decreasing the price on them, Dell MXM cards are usually cheaper than MSI, Clevo and the others.
     
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  5. aarpcard

    aarpcard Notebook Deity

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    Well, to address your second point, I'd also say greed is the cause.

    Why would manufacturers want to aid MXM proliferation, and standardization, when it is far more profitable to sell someone an entire brand new laptop when their old gpu breaks or becomes obsolete?

    -Overall profit on an MXM card (even mass produced) will be far lower than overall profit on a brand new BGA laptop.

    -Supporting MXM will likely increase warrantee fraud as users break their cards or laptops while doing an install and try to get it covered by the warrantee.

    -Supporting MXM will require significant initial additional funding for RDT&E as laptop engineers will have to break from their habits and actually start following standards.

    -Laptops employing MXM will always be thicker than BGA laptops. While irrational, the consumer wants thin gaming notebooks and are willing for them to be disposable. There's no incentive here to bend over backwards and employ MXM.

    -There's little to no demand/practicality for MXM use in the enthusiast desktop realm.

    -MXM 3.0B will likely not be able to support HBM.

    Largely MXM is only used when there is no other cheaper option.

    If a company expects a lot of gpu warrantee issues, then they'll employ MXM - this is really only a large scale enough issue to be impactful in the professional market.

    If a company caters specifically to enthusiasts, then they'll try to use MXM or else lose the majority of their customer base. Clevo; but even Clevo is moving away from MXM.

    MXM 3.0b was a good attempt at standardizing something which no manufacturer actually wanted standardized because there is little to no profitable reason to do so.

    As such, it was never fully adopted, almost no one follows the standard, and is outdated from a technical point of view. There's a reason why current gen gpus are hard to impossible to fit on a MXM module.
     
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    Maybe I don't want to see the truth... But really dislike all your facts.... :S

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  7. thegh0sts

    thegh0sts Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    mxm is being used for mini gaming pcs.
     
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  8. sicily428

    sicily428 Donuts!! :)

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    Linus does not know what he's talking about :D
    mxm cards will continue to exist because eurocom, clevo, msi, gecube, asrock, zotac, amd, tesla, Aetina are pushing those
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  9. SMGJohn

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    If anything I see an increase in the use of MXM cards in consumer computers, even back in the day there really were not that many MXM laptops I mean sure there were Acer, Alienware and a few MSI laptops that used them but largely no more today, really what about today? HP, Dell, Toshiba, Clevo/Sager, Samsung, even fewer MSI ones, Lenovo, Eurocom, Asrock and a whole bunch of other smaller manufacturers utilise MXM cards, there is also a massive surge in the use of MXM standard in bitcoin mining for better and worse I suppose.

    MXM cards are also HEAVILY used in the embedded market as replacing the entire motherboard for a simple GPU failure is not acceptable to any reasonable economist at a Corporation or business.
    A lot of servers also started employing the factor more and more.
    And there will always be a drive to put GPU's on MXM sized cards as computer standards shrink more and more, the drive towards mobility is ever increasing thanks to cellphones really.

    Remember when everything had to be bigger and better just a few years ago? Well the opposite is happening, now everything has to shrink. Even if MXM ceased to exist another standard would arise whether it gets adopted into gaming laptops or not is a different matter, Clevo still sell the most upgradeable laptops so someone must be buying them for there to be demand enough to justify the costs.
     
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    This is what I had to do to get a Clevo 1080 to fit in a P157SM-A frame with a P150EM motherboard and be cooled somewhat adequately. I can only handle around 150W sustained, but that's 90% of the TDP unlimited performance. Those 5mm heat pipes barely survived the bending.

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