Tesla Roadster 2.0 announced.

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  1. Tanner@XoticPC

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    0-60 in 1.9s, top spee "above 250mph and 620 mile range
    "Fastest production car ever made".

    What that 0-60 looks like

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    Saint Elon should be more focused on getting Model 3s into the hands of people who have given him money for one.
     
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    An impressive quarter-mile drag racer for sure, but I do wonder if the new Roadster is actually a track car. Elon Musk is never very eager to talk about other figures than acceleration when he touches on the topic of performance. What about wright, downforce, tyres, suspension, and an official Nürburgring lap time, if it doesn't overheat? With a statement as bashful as "Driving a gasoline sports car is going to feel like a steam engine with a side of quiche." coming from Elon Musk, it better perform across the board. Should serve the purpose of being a halo product for the brand either way, however.
     
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    So far all I've seen is it shares some components (including brakes) with the LaFerrari. Either way, you're right about the purpose. It's going to be the thing that keeps peoples attention.

    I wonder if they were using that to leapfrog into getting these prototypes out, and now they'll soak up some more investor cash to get the 3 to the road. Doesn't affect me either way yet, even with incentives I'm not really ready to spend that on an occasional commuter. It might if they can give that treatment to an extremely low cost compact, but I don't think I've heard any plans for something like that.
     
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    If you want a low cost BEV as an occasional commuter car, a used Nissan Leaf can be had for less than $10,000.


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    True, I meant like what Tesla is doing right now, the range of the new ones. Give me something Leaf priced with 620mi range and I'll be knocking down the door.
     
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    More sucker bait... :)

    Having ridden in one of the original roadsters, I can tell you it was so uncomfortable it truly was a matter of the battery lasting too long.

    This new roadster needs to be driveable for long distances to make the capacity increase usable.

    I wouldn't want to drive it if it drove as roughly as the first model.
     
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    I would jump on the EV train, but we regularly drive to NJ and other places far beyond the charge of what the average EV gets (100-230-240 miles). Also homeownership might be the first step as we would want to install a high speed charger.
     
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    I am waiting to see what kind of maintenance some of the new batteries are going to require and until prices get a lot lower before pulling the trigger myself. Range isn't quite as important to me at the moment.
     
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    Let's Talk About Tesla Roadster 2020!

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