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T60 vs. T61

Discussion in 'Lenovo' started by alanrudy, May 9, 2007.

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  1. alanrudy

    alanrudy Notebook Guru

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    Don't want Vista, so no Intel Turbo Memory 1GB
    So for me,
    T61,
    Pro:
    1. Santa Rosa
    2. Media card reader, Camera
    3. Various improvements over T60

    Con:
    1. With T60, can still get the 15" FlexView
    2. Don't like buying new items when they come out, prefer to have any kinks worked out.

    What do you think? Anything to add to the debate?
     
  2. KelchM

    KelchM Notebook Evangelist

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    Better battery life on the T60 as well.

    And why don't you want Vista? About the only thing I don't use vista for is gaming and thats not very likely to be too high on your list of activities if your looking at the T60/T61.
     
  3. FRiC

    FRiC Notebook Geek

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    The T60's that come with Vista pre-installed has a different/new motherboard than older T60's. It could have problems too. :p
     
  4. alanrudy

    alanrudy Notebook Guru

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    No Vista for me. Runs too slow, too many bugs. Had same computer as my friend (t7200 with 2gb ram) and with Vista all aspects were either slower or had problems with it. XP flies with this config. Only thing I like about Vista is Windows Fax/Scan. Although visual is better, I'd rather have good performance. Plus, I have an expensive fax/scanner and business programs that only work with xp.
     
  5. Rodster

    Rodster Merica

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    What the OP stated re: Pros and cons is exactly how I feel about the T61. I'll also add that the machine is crippled out of the gate. Why slap an 800 mhz FSB on the T61 and pair it with 667 mhz memory? :rolleyes:

    I think when it's all said and done the T60 and T61 will be a wash. The only reason turbo cache exist in the T61 and only comes with Vista is because Vista is one bloated OS, nuff said.

    I tried Vista and returned it to Microsoft for a refund. I'm still waiting for my T60 to be shipped and as of today Lenovo said my T60 packing slip has been created and it should leave on schedule May 15th. If it doesn't i'll probably cancel the order and buy a T61 with XP Pro.
     
  6. mahdim

    mahdim Notebook Enthusiast

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    And add to Cons: Apparently T61 is heavier!
     
  7. Rodster

    Rodster Merica

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    True, by about half a pound due to the T61's internal roll cage.
     
  8. ZaZ

    ZaZ Super Model Super Moderator

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    If you need a good scree, the FlexView is probably the way to go.
     
  9. turnerpr

    turnerpr Notebook Guru

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    My assessment is quite similar to alanrudy's. Just received my first thinkpad T60p last week (T7200, 2 gig, flexview screen) but of course I wondered if I would regret not waiting for the T61s. After reading all the reviews I think I made the right call. The flexview is a big reason as there is nothing yet on the horizon that can replace it (and as a writer I'm not a ready convert for widescreen) But beyond that, I would agree that the T61 represents THE FUTURE -- but as yet only in embryo. There is no remotely affordable ram to take advantage of the 800mhz FSB, the OS that will really make use of Santa Rosa innovations is just out of beta, the port choices try to straddle uneasily the old and new by making you choose between an express card/pcmia or multi-card reader, no DVI but a display port promised in 2008, and battery technology that is months behind the new performance demands, making the T61s less travel friendly than thinkpads years older.

    BUT I can't wait until the T61s grow up, hopefully just in time for my next machine. :D
     
  10. Toucan

    Toucan Notebook Guru

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    Perhaps one should wait another half year to purchase T61. At that time 800MHz memory would be very cheap, SP1 of Vista is available, and most applications would be truely Vista compatible. Then, the beauty of Vista on T61 can be seen.
     
  11. Tailic

    Tailic Notebook Deity

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    I really don't see the problem with 667MHz ram, desktop C2Ds come with 1066 fsb while using 800MHz ram. If I remember right even 800MHz ram is overkill for the 1066MHz fsb, it only really helped with overclocking. There was few memory guilds from way back when conroe was released, maybe you guys should check them out on Anandtech or Xbit.
     
  12. DellOware

    DellOware Notebook Guru

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    Just like the old saying, it depends on what you use your laptop for. If only for work, minimum game/graphic editing/CAD applications. T60 or T61 will be the same for you. 677 or 800 MHz RAM won't be a big different. But if graphic card is part of your concern then you may wanna wait for DX10 card.
     
  13. sapibobo

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    I think T61 will be worth it with dedicated graphics models.
     
  14. alanrudy

    alanrudy Notebook Guru

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    I'm going to get the t60. I decided against getting a docking station so big pros for the t60 are the flex view screen and I want to plug in external speakers but with the t61 the audio port is on the front. I can go without the other pros I mentioned for the t61, but I do wish the t60 had the card reader. Dang, it seems lenovo knew I wanted to buy a new computer, prices went up by like $80 in the last 24 hours, lol.

    My uncle, a cynical chip test engineer, says that 90% of computer users don't need these huge processor, ram, etc. upgrades and if companies spent 1/10th of the time and money on improving the quality and longevity of their products than they spend on constantly creating a new latest and greatest, our computers can last 10 times as long as they usually do.
    I am agreeing with that more and more, I should have had less problems and a faster computer with Vista running versus xp with t7200 and 2gb ram, not the other way around. But of course, that gives the companies reasons to come up with more processors, ram, etc.; products which are optimized for Vista, optimized for 800 fsb, etc.
     
  15. jd1010

    jd1010 Notebook Evangelist

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    "if companies spent 1/10th of the time and money on improving the quality and longevity of their products than they spend on constantly creating a new latest and greatest, our computers can last 10 times as long as they usually do."

    This is exactly what tech companies don't want...they want you to be forced to buy new parts/computers every couple of years. That's how they make their money.
     
  16. alanrudy

    alanrudy Notebook Guru

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    Yep, true, that's what I was trying to say. What happened to the business maxim of giving the customer what they want?
     
  17. mills

    mills Notebook Guru

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    I think its too easy to pick on companies and say why couldn't they do this or that at "x" time. We don't know the exact reasons or details why certain things like having 800 MHz RAM is not available now.

    Also, we have to realize, businesses will do what they can to stay in business. At the end of the day, they are run by regular people who need to be paid so they can pay the bills like everyone else.
     
  18. chuck232

    chuck232 Notebook Deity NBR Reviewer

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    I'll quote myself again from a previous thread:

    Oh and that's not to mention Crestline does not support DDRII-800.
     
  19. Playmaker

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    Absolutely true, yet not exactly a money-making business model. ;)
     
  20. SkiBunny

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    Agree with uncle.

    By the way, it's not your prices going up, rather it's re-pricing because the US dollar has been sinking like the Titanic all this year.
     
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