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T540p!!!

Discussion in 'Lenovo' started by dzylon, Oct 30, 2013.

  1. kevroc

    kevroc Notebook Evangelist

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    Yes, that and the fact that is comes with Gobi 5000 as a pre-configure option. Usually these things are always "WWAN Upgradable" and never configurable at the outset. It's like rolling the dice, can't imaging when the W540 drops and what the options are going to be :) At this rate it's anyones guess.
     
  2. djordjebg

    djordjebg Notebook Enthusiast

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    I am very interested into performance of that IPS panel. I hope also that they redesigned cooling system.
     
  3. kevroc

    kevroc Notebook Evangelist

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    Well my T50p had a late December ship date but I just got ship confirmation. MQ/DG/AC/3K/WWAN
     
  4. ibmthink

    ibmthink ThinkPad Deity

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    Congrats! Nice specs. Looking forward to your impressions! :)
     
  5. kevroc

    kevroc Notebook Evangelist

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    Well I ordered it on a whim, just saw it pop up so I went all in on the config, was really surprised when I got the ship notice. I'm a diehard Thinkpad fan from the very first laptop they ever made and a trackpoint fan even more. The removal of the dedicated trackpoint buttons is really killing me. I tried the T440s but the loud mechanical click every time you click down on the touchpad was just more than I could bear. That thing is LOUD. When I think about how many times I click that little button I just couldn't live with it and sent it back. I'm hoping that the larger machines may have a different assembly under the keyboard making the travel different and/or quieter. The offset keyboard may not bother me too much, but I did like the centered config of the T530 with the speakers on each side, thought that was a really cool idea.

    I've got a X230T now and the resolution makes it difficult to kick into real work mode. I'd love something larger but always had Flexview / IPS displays and can't go backwards. The W530 FHD is tempting and I will end up with that if I can't get past the Trackpoint button issue.
     
  6. AnakiMana

    AnakiMana Notebook Consultant

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    If it's anything like the T440p touchpad, it's going to be quiet. Hopefully they used the plastic touchpad on the T540p, too, verses glass like on the T440s.

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk
     
  7. kevroc

    kevroc Notebook Evangelist

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    That would be great news!! Didn't know they were differently like that. Thanks!
     
  8. Yilee

    Yilee Notebook Guru

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    Concerning the T540p being Mobile Broadband Ready, does that mean the both the WLAN and the WWAN antenae Kits are both installed in the LCD display unit even if you only order it with the WLAN option. This is important in case you decide to later install WWAN adapto yourself. It wouldn' work very well if the antenaes were not installed. Most importantly the Lenovo FRU parts list only shows the WWAN antenae as dual kit with the WLAN (both) but it shows the WLAN Kit by itself. I can only conclude that if you order the T540p and most likely the T440p without a specific WWAN option such as Gobi 5000 etc... and only get the WLAN option then you will not get the WWAN/WLAN combo antenae kit. I only believe this because the rule is that if it's not stated as part of the description then it's a good bet it's not included. I truely hope I am wrong but in the past the policy has been that you only get the antenae set that you need per how you initially order the unit.

    Also, be aware that the Lennovo Fru Parts list shows that the FHD(1920x1080) display panel is not the same mfg and quality as used on the T440p and the T440s. It uses TN panel display mode and is made by Innolux and has only 256k color display and inferior viewing angles as compared to the AUO panel used in T440s and the T440p which has AHVA display mode technology(similar to IPS) and better 16.2m color display and better viewing angles. The 3K(2880x1620) would be nice for movies but problems with very small fonts would difficult to scale properly and make business use difficult IMO.

    I do somehow intend on getting some solid answers concerning the Antenaes and FHD display specs before I pull the Trigger. I want both antenae kits and I want the same spec'd FHD display that the T440p and T440s comes with. I look forword to further comments. Here are the Lenovo Fru Parts List links and the Panelook.com links:

    http://download.lenovo.com/parts/ThinkPad/t540p_fru_bom_20131107.pdf

    http://www.panelook.com/N156HGE-EA1_Innolux_15.6_LCM_overview_20169.html

    http://download.lenovo.com/parts/ThinkPad/t440p_fru_bom_20131008.pdf

    http://www.panelook.com/B140HAN01.2_AUO_14.0_LCM_overview_18920.html

    Update: I spoke to Tech Support about several issues this is what I was told:
    1.The Mobile Broadband Ready units do come with the WWAN/WLAN combo antenae Kit ready to upgrade in the future.....good news!
    2.But according to his current parts info, the T540p's FHD panel is the Innolux TN display panel(in link above) and is not the same quality as the FHD panel used in the T440p and the T440s (AOU display panel in link above).
    3.They do use different Heatsink/Heatpipe/coil in fan shroud configurations based on CPU Watts(37 or 47 watts) and whether there is a discrete GPU initially included. So if you are thinking about buying an I-3 or I-5 and then later putting an I-7, the unit may overheat because it will no longer be matched to the correct Heatsink/Fan assembly. He has not seen the insides of the 540p or the 440p and cannot comment on the differences between the Heatsink/Fan assemblies.
    4. Lastly on a sidenote he said that the Windows 7 Pro 64bit downgraded from Win 8 pro 64bit will come with IE-9 SP1 which is important to me. IE-9 and IE-10(specifically for Win 7) do not require tabbed viewing and uses the old way to save favorites. I prefer open in new window and do not want my favorites pinned to a taskbar or anything else except the folder that I create and put them in. I also want my open IE windows and program windows to show in the taskbar(classic) which is still possible in Windows 7.
     
  9. AnakiMana

    AnakiMana Notebook Consultant

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    My T440p has WWAN antenna cables taped to the chassis at the M.2 slot. So, that much is confirmed.

    I just worked on an HP dv7 for someone and was sad for him because under the bottom cover was a big open bay for 2nd hard drive, but SATA header wasn't even soldered on. I'd be pissed. I'm sure HP saved a dollar, though.

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  10. kevroc

    kevroc Notebook Evangelist

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    Yes, I do know that my last couple of Thinkpads that were WWAN Upgradable both had the antenna connectors sitting there waiting to be plugged in.

    That's really a dissapointment that the T540p FHD isn't the same as the T440p FHD. That will definitely drive people to the T440p.

    Also, just noticed my T540p config dropped $150 in price. On with chat now seeing what they can do.
     
  11. kevroc

    kevroc Notebook Evangelist

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    Does anyone know if the T540p uses the same power connector as the older thinkpads? Just curious if I can reuse any of mine. I notice the W530 I just got uses the 170W adapter with a special notched connector on it and the T440s uses one of the slim style connectors. Not sure what I'm going to get with the T540p.

    Thanks!
     
  12. ibmthink

    ibmthink ThinkPad Deity

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    Its the same Slim-conncetor which the T440s uses.
     
  13. Yilee

    Yilee Notebook Guru

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    Concerning the T540 and W540p, those of you who are going to be wanting a FHD (1920x1280) AHVA panel with 700:1 contrast, 16.2m display colors,antiglare, 72% color gamut basically the same specs that the T440p and T440s are shipping with you will be disapointed to know that is not what you will get.

    The T440s and T440p use the AUO B140HAN01.2 FHD panel or equivalent. The T540p uses the AUO B156HW01 ver. 3 or equivalent which is a TN panel with 262k display colors 400:1 contrast, antiglare, 60% color gamut. I confirmed through the Lenovo Parts FRU, Tech Support and looking up the panels. Of course Lenovo can change the Mfg's anytime or even up the specs but how will you know when they have sold out of the older spec panel?

    The above is what kept me from buying the T540p and instead I purchased a T440P but the order was canceled and I currently looking into the matter and have since been doing further research. I did discover some good information today! AU Optronics (AUO) makes a 15.6 inch AVHA panel with the same specs as used in the T440p and T440s called the B156HAN01.2 but Lenovo has not yet seen fit to implement the better spec panel but instead offers the same base price for the T540p and T440p because the panel in the 15.6 inch T540p has lower specs.

    Panel model # for AUO can be interpreted as such: 156=15.6 inch, 140= 14 inch, HAN= AHVA panel technology, HW= TN panel with better viewing angles, HTN= worst TN panels.

    There is hope if enough customers demand that the B156HAN01.2 15.6 inch FHD panel or equivalent be used in the T540p and W540p laptops. See the following Links and look at both the overview and spec tabs at the top.

    1. AUO B156HW01 V3 Overview - Panelook.com

    2. B140HAN01.2 Datasheet download - Panelook.com

    3. AUO B156HAN01.2 Overview - Panelook.com

    Lenovo's FHD panel choice for the T540p is currently the biggest reason to hold off purchase if you want a thinkpad mobile workstation. I hope everyone follows suit to complain about this issue
     
  14. corporatemunkee

    corporatemunkee Notebook Enthusiast

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    How come no one wants the T540p 3k screen, seeing how well the rMBP sells? I am highly considering the 3k screen for my build, but wondering how the quality will compare to an actual retina 15" screen. Any thoughts?
     
  15. kevroc

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    I just received my T540p, 3k display. I was going to just make some initial observations in this post as I go. I'm comparing against the W530 FHD to figure out which one I want to keep. I'm leary of the new Touchpad/Trackpoint Button Replacement so I may stay with the W530, but like the idea of a newer machine at literally no price premium.


    T540p Pro's
    It's noticeably thinner. That was my first thought when picking it up was how thin it was. A little thinness from the base (but not much), most thinness from the screen.
    Screen sharpness
    WiFi is twice as fast as W530 measured transferring a multi-gig file over my network. 20/mbs vs 10mbs.
    The screen is really sharp, even at faux resolution of 1920x1080 it's still sharper than the W530 FHD. There's better contrast which makes a big difference. A little bit of light bleed from the bottom but not too bad, although a bit more than the W530.
    -I've been running it now at 1600x900, forgot I had it at that resolution for awhile and I'm thinking, man this thing is sharp, go back in to verify my settings and I'm still at 1600x900. Haven't ever seen a display that scaled from Native Resolution so well.




    W530 Con's
    They keyboard is a bit more comfortable. The plastic used and the slight curve on the front lip. The T540p has a bit of a curve on the front lip but not as much. The W530 has a rougher textured plastic that I prefer.
    I also prefer the blacker black of the case. The T540p is more of a dark graphite.
    I like the Dedicated Volume, Mute and Mic keys.



    Other Observations:

    It came with Fonts set at 150%. This works fine for some apps but not other. I dialed it back down to 100% and boy is that text tiny, but amazingly still readable and my eyesight is starting to get questionable.

    It looks like a glossy screen but can't be certain. It's definitely shinier then the W530.

    Looks like some glitches with Win 8.1. The display brightness adjust is gone. Doesn't look like there's an 8.1 specific Video Driver update.

    The T540p can get warm. The left side of they keyboard and on the bottom of the laptop in the same area. I converted an MKV file using Handbrake and both my W530 (3740qm) and T540p (4700mq) and it was a dead heat. The fan on the W530 was louder, but the palmrest/keyboard stayed much cooler than the T540p. A couple of spots on the bottom were plenty hot.

    Update:
    The offset keyboard hasn't been too bad. On the desk/lap in light it's fine, using it at night in the dark is a different matter. You naturally want to center the thing so you find that you have to keep adjusting as you're trying to find the home keys. Also, finding the trackpoint buttons can be a challenge in the dark as well. Also, it appears the upper left 2 keys (ESC, F1) are slightly raised higher then the rest of the keys as when the Keyboard Backlight is on it is super bright under those 2 keys.
     
  16. Yilee

    Yilee Notebook Guru

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    I could be wrong but most PC users state that spreadsheets and other similar program that work well in Windows do not in OSx also I have read that Apple's OSX does a good job of scaling up the fonts, better than Win 7 and 8. That is only what I recall. I have not used OSx so others should respond to this question. I also believe that if you are going for a touch screen (I am not) then 3k with Win 8 might be more managable. Lenovo is not yet offering touch with the T540p. I plan on sticking with non-touch, Win 7 and IE 9 or 10 and avoid Metro alltogether eventually running Win 7 inside a Virtual desktop inside of Lenux. I have till 2020 to get that setup running correctly. I have 3 copies of Win Ultimate Full versions waiting in new retail boxes to make sure that I can move the software from machine to machine.
     
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    I have given up waiting on a W540. What SSD size does the T540 use? I have the 960 GB M500 Crucial in my W520 now.

    I also have an mSata 80 gb but don't figure I need it in the new machine as the 893 GB usable is plenty.

    Although I think I would like a touch screen Win 8.1 is still so horrible that I don't believe I will change until Win 9 comes out. MS is an expert and doing a horrible job on every other OS release.

    For those that have the 3k screen is it worth the $370 upgrade cost?
     
  18. kevroc

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    That's personal preference really. Since I use my computer 10-12 hours a day, the screen is a critical part for me, I've always had IPS displays and a couple of times the FHD non-ips. Being able to get an IPS HD screen again is a beautiful thing in my book and I'd probably pay up to $500 for it honestly. The FHD isn't bad, but for only $200 more I get more resolution and true IPS, that makes sense to me for an upgrade.
     
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    Is 100% DPI on a 15-inch screen really readable on the 3k screen? Are you sure you're at native res when you checked that?

    I just find that mind-blowing, because 100% DPI on my FHD screen is already just about as small as I think it can humanly get before it becomes unreadable!
     
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    Any chance of an outdoor photo? Would like to see the brightness level and gloss level.
     

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