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T400s vs. x200s

Discussion in 'Lenovo' started by maumu, Jun 26, 2009.

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  1. maumu

    maumu Notebook Consultant

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    Which should I choose?

    I read that the battery life for T400s (6-cell) is only about 6.5 hrs (max). Well, in real world (normal usage), what does that translate to? 4 hrs? Is there any review that actually shows the true battery life?

    I'm impressed by x200s reviews stating that the real world usage for x200s on 9 cell is at least 9 hrs. That really win my heart.

    So should I choose x200s or have some faith that the T400s can at least last what it advertised - 6.5 hrs? It might change my mind!

    Comments folks?? :D
     
  2. k3davis

    k3davis Notebook Consultant

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    I think you'll find that's not enough information for us to really make a recommendation between the two. On strictly battery life, the 9 cell on the x200s seems like a no-brainer. If you'd also benefit from a larger screen, integrated optical drive, faster processor, etc. then the situation changes.
     
  3. jonlumpkin

    jonlumpkin NBR Transmogrifier

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    The x200s is easily going to beat the T400s on battery life.

    The T400s has a below average capacity, albeit flush, 6 cell (44WHr IIRC) battery as the ONLY OPTION. This should provide 4+ hours of real world usage and may allow achieving the rated 6 under ideal circumstances (would need to AVERAGE 7.33 watts).

    Conversely, the x200s offers a 4 cell battery at 28WHr, a 6 cell battery at 56WHr, and a 9 cell battery at 84WHr. The 9 cell should easily achieve 8-9 hours of real world usage and 12+ should be attainable under ideal conditions.

    In addition, the x200s uses either a ULV or LV CPU and has a 2" smaller screen. As such, power consumption will be slightly lower than the T400s (likely 0.5-1.5 watts difference at idle).

    If your top concern is battery life and/or ultimate portability then the x200s is obviously a better choice. However, if you want a very light laptop with a 14.1" WXGA+ LED display, DVD burner (or 2nd HDD), medium voltage Penry CPU, and decent battery then the T400s is tough to beat.
     
  4. bzhang

    bzhang Newbie

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    Same dilemma here.
    Pluses for T400s: the latest thinkpad cosmetics, which I find sort of cool. 14 in screen and dvd.
    Pluses for x200s: full size keyboard, similar performance due to same integrate graphics and cache size, lighter, and 500 dollars cheaper!

    essentially, is the bigger screen, dvd player, and new cosmetics worth 500?

    Do you think there's going to be substantial back to school discounts around august for either computers?
     
  5. zephir

    zephir Notebook Deity

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    You forgot faster processor in T400s vs. X200s (2.53GHz vs. 2.16GHz) and the ability to use another HDD in the ultrabay slot)
    Don't get me wrong, the X200s is a nice machine, but the T400s is formidable on its own.
     
  6. ZaZ

    ZaZ Super Model Super Moderator

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    That's very good for a 14" six-celled battery notebook. Show me something else that's better.
     
  7. bigbulus

    bigbulus Notebook Consultant

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    T400s, for me the deal breaker is T400s only takes 1.8" HDD. No 2.5 support.
     
  8. jonlumpkin

    jonlumpkin NBR Transmogrifier

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    You can use a 2.5" HDD in the optical bay with an adapter. This gives the option for hybrid storage (1.8" SSD AND 2.5" HDD) that the x200s lacks.
     
  9. nashpec

    nashpec Notebook Geek

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    There is always a solution.
     
  10. Awdiyo

    Awdiyo Notebook Guru

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    Surely it depends entirely on how you plan to use it and for what you plan to use it.
    As an example, Bzhang talks about the bigger screen being worth something, but from where I stand, the bigger screen and thus the increase of size in the T400s is a negative, something that has a negative influence in the perceived value.

    Since you're basically asking "which is better", it's important people know what you'll be using it for and perhaps even more important, how you'll be using it. Consider filling out the faq. :)
     
  11. maumu

    maumu Notebook Consultant

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    okay... i forgot the t400s only support 1.8" drives... so, no go for me cos i've the 2.5" intel ssd oreadi.

    ><"

    well i just want a light and easy to use lappy to carry around with good battery life so that i don't have to lung along the power cable all day round.

    thx folks ;)
     
  12. cmick25

    cmick25 Notebook Consultant

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    Yes, definitely go for x200, because it has longer battery life, it is smaller and lighter, and for the remainder of money you can buy 22" monitor to use in your office or at home...But, for carrying around always go for 12, or 13 inch models...Although, personally I would probaby prefer x301 (I know it is expensive!),because some people can not imagine using a laptop without DVD drive...But really, x200 will not disappoint you...
     
  13. maumu

    maumu Notebook Consultant

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    yea I've kind of prepared to lug along an ultraslim external dvd writer to go with the x200s...

    i wonder if i should wait for the next big sale or just use the existing ecoupons. also, they're not going to push for SL9600 for x200s right?
     
  14. Thinkpad.Forever

    Thinkpad.Forever Notebook Geek

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    /rant mode ON.

    /rant mode OFF. :D
     
  15. User Retired 2

    User Retired 2 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Another vendor has a unit which combines some of the features of both the X200s and X400s.

    12.1" HP 2530P combines features of 12.1" X200s and 14.1" X400s

    12.1" HP 2530P uses ULV SU9xxxx or LV SL9xxxx has 1.8" drive drive, and can have a 2.5" SATA SSD/HDD via a hotswappable optical bay caddy/optical drive setup. Great for 1.8" SSD+ 2.5" HDD hybrid storage. Has 3/6/9 cell battery options, with a touchpad and touckstyk. It's built to mil-spec business standards, no mikey-mouse plastics. SU9300 specced version has gone for $650US on ebay with remainder of 3yr onsite warranty :)

    Weight comparison

    12.1" Dell E4200: 1.8" SSD. 1.2kgs with 6-cell
    12.1" Lenovo X200s: 2.5" HDD. 1.47ks, 6-cell
    12.1" HP 2530P: 1.8" HDD + optical drive. 1.64kgs (optical drive is 190grams, so is 1.45kgs without it).
    14.1" Lenovo T400s: 1.8" HDD + optical drive. 1.77kgs.
     
  16. Thinkpad.Forever

    Thinkpad.Forever Notebook Geek

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    Hi nando4,

    For those who require more grunt from their processor to do the heavy lifting AND battery endurance, the X200's specs, value, weight and quality is hard to beat.

    Swappable bays and caddies have their place for those who want such option.

    Nevertheless, bay batteries invariably come with only 3c so their endurance is limited.

    Besides being a cheaper option, a slim ext USB DVD writer (while slightly heavier on account of its ext casing and USB cable) makes sense as it can be shared with more than one machine AND one carries it ONLY when required rather than dragging deadweight around (which is most of the time.)

    The only advantage is when a user want a SSD/HDD combi set up, which the X200 cannot accommodate.

    Still, users need to prioritize their needs to come to a setup that's optimum to their needs.
     
  17. jonlumpkin

    jonlumpkin NBR Transmogrifier

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    You can order the x200s with the 2.13GHz SL9600 through some retail channels at the moment. This is most notably international and some custom education/corporate portals.

    I do not know why Lenovo isn't offering an SL9600 through the main US channel at present (best guess is limited supply). Also note that in the few channels were the SL9600 has been offered it has been at a rather steep $130+ upgrade over the SL9400 (quite fast in its own right).
     
  18. User Retired 2

    User Retired 2 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Absolutely! So the HP 2530P provides a third option for those that want it.

    Your point about battery life - if I had a 2530P I could report how good, or bad the battery life is. The one-gen older 9-cell 2510P using a 65nm U7600 provides 8hrs battery life when using it's very low power consumption 1.8" ZIF HDD. I dare say the 2530P with newer X4500 using 45nm CPUS that are superlfm capable, newer PM45 chipset, would extend that further. At least rmclock advanced undervolting using superlfm mode could make it extend it in any case.

    A third option, which if a SU9300/2530P can be obtained for $650US on ebay is excellent value.
     
  19. Thinkpad.Forever

    Thinkpad.Forever Notebook Geek

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    Hi nando4,

    Power users who need more grunt will find LV/ULV processors unable to step up to the plate when the need arises. Battery longevity under such circumstances becomes moot.

    Moreover 1.8" HDD is not a favorite among users for reason of performance, capacity, price and availability. That's why the X32 remains preferred to the X41 among those in the know.

    Again, it's different strokes for different folks.

    All I'm saying is: Your set up has the advantage of a twin SSD/HDD option and good battery life for users who demand less from their processor. The X200 pips it on performance @ the processor and HDD level, and is still able to have good battery life with extended battery options.

    Both options have their place among users. :)
     
  20. mehraan

    mehraan Newbie

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    Lenovo's Canadian website offers T400s with SL9400 CPU's. (SL9600 for a $125 upgrade)
    What do you think about the idle power consumption of those? Does the 2" display difference matters a lot in the power consumption?
     
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