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Studio 1737 can upgrade to Q9000?

Discussion in 'Dell Inspiron and Dell Studio' started by wind30, Apr 29, 2009.

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  1. wind30

    wind30 Notebook Enthusiast

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    kind of curious,

    can the P8600 processor in my 1737 be upgraded to a quad core? I do some video encoding and it is still a bit slow.
     
  2. Commander Wolf

    Commander Wolf can i haz broadwell? Super Moderator

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    It's possible, but maybe less than probable. Assuming you have the newer Studio 17 revision with a 45-Series chipset (and I think you do, since it's a 1737?), your chipset officially supports all Socket P processors (including the Q9000), but your BIOS may not support it and your power circuitry may not be beefy enough to handle the extra TDP.

    It's really unscientific, but the best way to test compatibility in these situations is to try it for yourself, or search for others who have done the same upgrade (was unable to find anything on Google). In general, I'd say no, but there's a guy running Core 2 Extremes in an Inspiron 1720, and those have the same TDP as the quads.
     
  3. Mastershroom

    Mastershroom wat

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    Words of wisdom from the good Commander. :p

    Just buy one from someplace that has a good return policy, and try it for yourself. Make sure you update to the latest BIOS revision before you try.
     
  4. Commander Wolf

    Commander Wolf can i haz broadwell? Super Moderator

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    Yeah, that's a good call. If you're in California, you can try Fry's as well. As bad as it is, I've bought a few things from them just to try out and return. They'll usually take stuff back with little or no hassle (just watch out for doodads that fall outside the usual return policy). Dunno if you can actually buy a Q9000 there, though...
     
  5. Mastershroom

    Mastershroom wat

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    For the record, I've never seen any mobile processors in an actual store. Out here in Ohio we only have Micro Center, but from what I hear it's very similar to your Fry's. They've got desktop dual-cores and quad-cores out the wazoo, but they have a sadly limited range of notebook parts.
     
  6. wind30

    wind30 Notebook Enthusiast

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    thanks for the advice.

    the 45W and 25W does seems to be a big difference.

    I am wondering if anyone has done it before. To confirm if it is possible
     
  7. Mastershroom

    Mastershroom wat

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    I know for a fact that it can handle at least 35W, since the Txxxx processors draw that much.
     
  8. Miladsina

    Miladsina Notebook Enthusiast

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    if dell had supported a new BIOS that identify quad CPUs it is possible.
    also if your system has not two separate cooling system it's not recommended. however if your system runs cool (about 40 or 50 C ) u can do that upgrade.
    also notice about that your cpu heat sink has harmony with quad core or not, as quad core CPUs needs two smooth contact with heat sink
     
  9. Mastershroom

    Mastershroom wat

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    These heatsinks have plenty of surface area for dual-die processors (quad cores).

    I can confirm that the Studio's power circuitry can handle 45W; someone got theirs working with an X9000 Core 2 Extreme. It's only dual core, but draws 45W just like a Core 2 Quad. So, the only possibly limiting factor here is the BIOS support. And unfortunately, there's really no way to determine that other than actually putting in a quad-core and seeing if it runs.
     
  10. Ice Cold

    Ice Cold Notebook Deity

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    we are 50% there solving this, we know the hardware is compatible physicaly and power TDP wise. The easiest thing to do know is find out which BIOS version you have name and version. And see if that BIOS is compatible with the Q9000, and thats it. Because remember there must be BIOS support for it to work too.

    All you need then is some high quality Artic Silver and a Q9000, now that Core i7 is out you can find one new for about $200 to $250.

    4 Cores at 2Ghz each that should be nice

    unlike the Core i7 that needs to shut down 2 core to then boost the other 2 Cores to 2.8Ghz, So you only have 2 Cores

    Not loving the Core i7 now I am waiting for Arrandale and Sandy Bridge
     
  11. Miladsina

    Miladsina Notebook Enthusiast

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    yes it runs with 45w TDP but at which condition? cool or like MSI GT628 at 90 degree centigrade?!
    yes , i excited about nehalem too but it has something to find about,and i agree to wait for arrandale and sandy bridge,they must be better and coming soon too
     
  12. Fragilexx

    Fragilexx Get'cha head in the game

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    But isn't arrandale only going to offer 2 cores (4 threads) link? Still, will be plenty for a lot of people - seeing that the vast majority don't go for quad cores in the consumer market anyway.
     
  13. Ice Cold

    Ice Cold Notebook Deity

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    Arrandale will offer 2 cores at 32nm and a 4 Core 32nm version, both should be way faster than any Core 2 Duo, heck the slowest 2 Core Arrandale 32nm I bet would smoke a Core 2 Quad 45nm

    for a few reasons, Speed, L3 cache, Turbo Boost, Hyperthreading, TDP low power effciency. So even a 2 Core 32nm Arrandale is seen as 4 Cores because of the Hyperthreading.

    the current 45nm Core i7's will have a very short cycle,
    the 32nm Versions will have a very long life cycle Intel even said probably longer than Core 2 Duo, and they may need to delay 22nm Sandy Bridge mainly to give 32nm Core i7 lots of time for success, more than Core 2 Duo.

    which sucks because 22nm Sandy Bridge should finally really give us all, that 6 hour battery life minimums along with 32nm GPU's or 22nm GPU's DDR3, USB 3.0.


    Look how long Core 2 Duo has been at 45nm die lithography, where as Core i7, mobile will spend just 1 cycle at 45nm, and quickly change to 32nm. even for desktops.
     
  14. Fragilexx

    Fragilexx Get'cha head in the game

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    Where did you get this information, as I was only aware that Arrandale would be 2 core / 4 thread.

    Depends what you are doing. Single core performance then yes most likely, but if you are using something that can use all four cores of the C2Q then I think it would be a close fight. Hyperthreading 4 threads onto 2 cores is nowhere near as fast as running 4 threads one on each core; but then there is an expected 22% speed increase due to the 32nm process over the 45nm process. I think your comment though is far to generalised. Not sure how turbo boost would work on a two core machine; it still has a thermal envelope the CPU needs to stay within, so if you were running at max capacity in terms of core / thread usage then I doubt turbo boost would kick in.

    In reality the real bonus of moving to 32nm Arrandale will be in terms of power savings. Ultra lights are going to love the new chip, whilst I suspect gamers and professional users might either opt to stick with the 45nm Clarksfield until Sandy Bridge happens - and who knows when that will take place or possibly the top of the range 620M Arrandale. Eventually Clarksfield may make the transition to 32nm though.
     
  15. Ice Cold

    Ice Cold Notebook Deity

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    I am pretty sure Arrandale will be Quad Core 32nm and kick major but.

    By this time next year, the Studio 17 will have 32nm Arrandale's Quad Core,

    sure theres a 2 Core Arrandale somewhere 32nm die but probably for ultra slims pr portables.


    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10317959-64.html?tag=untagged

    http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/09/guide-to-intel-chips/


    32nm Arrandales will be the long life cycle as the Penryns that went through many cycles, Santa Rosa, Monteviniea etc.
     
  16. Fragilexx

    Fragilexx Get'cha head in the game

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    So far that last link you gave is the only one I've seen that suggests Arrandale will be available in quad core flavour - and I think that link is incorrect. As I said, we may eventually see clarksfield move to 32nm; whether they will give it a new name or not, I don't know.

    Arrandale has other advantages, such as more instructions being added to the CPU, on chip graphics controller and of course smaller die size which should result in lower price.
     
  17. AtomicKitten

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    It Works! :D I used this forum to base my decision to buy the Q9000 or not for my Studio 1737. So since I went on a limb and bought it, I thought I would join this forum to let everyone know that It does work. The Bios supports it, the heak-sink dye is more that adiquate, and the motherboard does provide enough power. As first, when I had just installed it, I decided to test it out by playing L4D2. about 10min in I got a BSOD Bc code: 1e. I looked at the temperatures and they were 75C+. Too hot. So I reseated the heatsink a couple of times, now it plays L4D2 without getting over 60C or so. :) I also Have not gotten a BSOD since then. Any questions welcome. :D
     
  18. electrosoft

    electrosoft Tick Tock Clarice....

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    Pics or it didn't happen.
     
  19. Ice Cold

    Ice Cold Notebook Deity

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    We Demand PICS!!!

    because my 1737 I have been considering beefing up my T9400 2.53Ghz 6MB cache 1066FSB Core 2 Duo, which thanks to IDA runs at 2.66Ghz. And its 35 Watt TDP

    to a T9900 at 3.06Ghz also 35 Watts TDP or a

    P9700 which is like the only P version using 28 Watts TDP much better than 35 Watts, and stll retains the 6MB cache of the T series and it runs at 2.8Ghz. Which is great seeing which I can find cheaper.

    But I had no idea we could run a 45 Watt Q9000 in a Studio 1737 Thats impressive.

    Quick someone try this one

    http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=37033

    Oh and Atomic please give a briefe step by step on what you did becaise I want to do this also.
     
  20. electrosoft

    electrosoft Tick Tock Clarice....

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    Yeah, one person with one post claiming it works when all indications point to it not working, so we need more proof.

    What would you use a Quad Core for Ice Cold? Even a lowly Core 2 would quickly bottleneck with the craptastic 3650 GPU in the 1737's.
     
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