So it’s going to be 2020 soon.......

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  1. Kevin

    Kevin Egregious

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    I mean in articles like this one from The Verge, Microsoft itself is explicitly stating that, in comparison to the Xbone One X, the Series X has 4x the CPU power and 2x the GPU power.

    The One X had a 6TF GPU, so....

    Sounds like space magic to me but that's what they claim.
     
  2. hfm

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    Which is pretty impressive given a 2080Ti is like.. ~13TFlop?
     
  3. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    "But don’t worry: according to Xbox head Phil Spencer, Microsoft “designed Xbox Series X to support both vertical and horizontal orientation.”"

    Well, I'd take that with a grain of salt, as Phil isn't an engineer he's a sales guy, and he'll tell you what you want to hear just to sell units.

    The rest of the article is funny, they clearly don't believe it either. :)

    "Based on the orientation of the Xbox button on the Xbox Series X, it’s clear that Microsoft intends for the console to be stood up vertically, much in the same way that the current Xbox One consoles were designed to lay flat.

    Microsoft also hasn’t released a picture of what the Xbox Series X will look like in its horizontal orientation, but through advanced imaging technology (i.e., rotating an image 90 degrees) we’ve been able to piece together a rough idea of what that will look like.
    Xbox Tall laid on its side....PNG

    "Ok, so it’s still gonna take up a whole lot of space inside your TV console. But it’s better than no horizontal mode at all."

    Sure you can lay it on it's side, hopefully the balance for the DVD/BD unit will work - might want to check which side to tip it over on first by opening the tray to see where the top and bottom are, and also make sure the intake and vented top have a clear shot into the fresh air zone so you don't vent heat into a wall or corner and don't draw heated output from another appliance into the Xbox Series X.

    The vertical orientation is likely the best for cooling - the designed way to take advantage of convection cooling, but if you have the right ventilation set up blowing air through the unit it could work on it's side. You'd want to make up for the loss in convection cooling - all that heat is now pooling in the new top of the box - so some extra blow through needs to be pulling that heat out better than when in the vertical position.
     
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  4. yrekabakery

    yrekabakery Notebook Virtuoso

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    4x the CPU performance is to be expected, if anything it’s conservative given the leap from Jaguar (trash) to Zen2.

    2x the GPU performance is more like an RX 5700XT. Reminder that RDNA has much higher perf/FLOPS than GCN. The 5700XT (9.8 TFLOPS) handily beats the Vega 64 (12.7 TFLOPS). A 12 TFLOPS RDNA GPU would start to encroach upon the 2080 Super, which I just don’t see happening in a console.

    Imagine disironically believing that you can use FLOPS as a valid performance metric to compare disparate GPU architectures and brands.
     
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  5. Prototime

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    I'm not knowledgeable enough to be able to comfortably predict how the XSX performance will stack up against an nvidia GPU, but this article says (based on Microsoft's claims) that we can expect 10%+ over an RTX 2070: https://www.gamesradar.com/xbox-series-x-specs/

    I have a hard time believing it, but if it's true (and especially if PS5 achieves similar results), nvidia had better make its next-gen GPUs much more powerful this time--a greater leap than Turing was over Pascal for sure. A lot of mid-core, mid-range gamers would happily go for a cheaper, equally-powerful console over a mid-range gaming PC.

    Side note--Nintendo always beats to its own drum, but who knows; maybe we'll get a Switch Pro in 2020. Not that it will in any way compete graphically with PC or XSX. But I'd rather have a Switch Pro that can play Zelda at 1080p60fps than an XSX that can supposedly play games at 8k. I'll believe that when I see it--assuming 8k TVs even become a thing during the XSX's lifetime.
     
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  6. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Linus does a pretty good job covering the bases reviewing the Xbox Series X as the PC it really is... down to it's resemblance to the Corsair One Pro PC.

    3:47 - New Xbox Series X Revealed (Main Topic)

    The New XBOX is a PC?! - WAN Show Dec 13, 2019
    Streamed live 7 hours ago
    Linus Tech Tips
     
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  7. hfm

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    It's a good litmus, obviously it's not an apples to apples comparison and I never said it was. Everyone already knows that. But it's still significant for gaming in general given the real-world scenario that console hardware has driven the critical mass adoption of gaming features and performance targets. It's just the way it is whether PC centric gamers like it or not. All you have to do is look at the steam hardware survey GPU adoption to see what most game devs are targeting on the PC side of things. More performance and features in consoles will drive developers to target those features.

    At the end of the day, none of that is going to make a crap game great anyway. A lot of my favorite games will run on integrated GPUs. :) I just try to stay in the upper-mid GPU tier as best I can because I've always liked to play and tinker with new features if I can. It's not critically important, but it's fun. I also don't see the need to spend north of $1K on the BEST GPU, given that my situation and favored way to game involves already spending north of what I could cobble together if I wanted to build a proper desktop PC (which I can't or if I did have room for it wouldn't want to, those days are gone).
     
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    It’s literally not. Pascal != Turing != GCN != RDNA in terms of TF. A 13TF 2080 Ti curbstomps a 13TF Vega 64 LC.
     
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    Fair enough, but we're talking RDNA 2...which admittedly we don't know much about, but given how the 5700XT performs we can make some very educated guesses.

    As well, consoles tend to be better optimized, given the stable target.
     
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    IGN cobbled together an Xbox Series X mockup, and compare it to the current PS4 Pro and PS4:
    Size comparison between new Xbox Series X - Nintendo Switch - PS4 Pro - PS4.jpg

    Here's How Big the Xbox Series X Is (Our Best Guess)
    Dec 13, 2019
    IGN
    Microsoft's next-generation console has finally been revealed. So how does it stack up to other consoles and fruit, you ask? We were wondering too.
     
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