Samsung unveils new PCIe 4.0 SSDs that "never die"

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  1. Spartan

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    Samsung unveils new PCIe 4.0 SSDs that "never die"
    They keep working even if a NAND chip fails


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    sounds great and all problem with this SSD is that there are other components that will fail result in loss of data. technically one can desolder and resolder them and this includes the controller as well but probably no one does that and chances are flash itself outlasts the other components on PCB anyway even in today's flash standards.

    kinda like optane memory being advertised by intel to be 1000x faster only to be hold back by everything else like PCIe protocol and other things like controllers limitation.

    i guess its great when other stuff dont fail and is limited to flash failing scenario then thats the premium we'd choose to pay for. other than that i love pcie4 sequentials.
     
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    They're going to be good, probably the best, why do they need to go ruining it already with BS marketing overreach that presents a preventative self diagnostic data preservation mechanism as if it were god mode?

    It's not even actually preventing any failure, only data loss... Dunno who I despise more, the marketing trolls who come up with this junk or the tech press who regurgitate it.
     
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    it never dies, sure, it just runs out of functional flash chips at some point (if nothing else fails) :D 4KB SSD, anyone? :rolleyes:

    anyways, with the enterprise drives out of the way, the nextgen highend consumer drives should be around the corner :D
     
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    All I care about in SSDs to be honest is more storage space at an affordable price. We've been stuck at 2TB for NVMe m.2 SSDs and 4TB for 2.5" SSDs for ages.
     
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    yep im waiting for that as well. a yr ago i spoke with Chris he explained QLC's yield was below 50% and it was more expensive to make than TLC so hopefully thats changed now.

    also samsung's NF1 M.2 SSD is 30mm * 110mm vs the standard 20mm * 80mm capable of going 15TB so they could technically get regular m.2 to ~6-8TB if they wanted to. they are trying to milk it for sure.
     
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    yep, thats basically the stance of almost all consumers. thats why they keep pushing for higher-bit flash (PLC coming up baby! :p) while sacrificing performance and durability...

    milking is one part. Pricing is another, market just isnt there yet to make 4TB drives affordable for the masses. Its basically JUUUUST starting to get interesting for enthusiasts, I paid about 20% less per 4 TB 860 Evo than I did for my 1 TB 850 Pro right when it came out in 2014. Also, so far, Samsung was the ONLY player offering 4TB consumer drives so far, this changed only VERY recently when Western Digital started offering their Blue and SanDisk lineups in 4 TB flavour... (availability was just given like a few weeks ago I noticed!)

    Fun Fact: the most affordable 4TB+ drive atm in terms of price per GB is a 7.68 TB drive by Micron :p But anything in 8TB class right now either sucks in terms of write IOPS performance, or is just INSANELY expensive....
     
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    for performance/durability will not be an issue for storage and it's 4k QD read/write will still be multiple times faster than traditional hard drive. so as long as they use say 16-32 channels on those QLC/PLC we wont have sequential write problem that we see with TLC SSDs today (the problem with write at 3GB/s for 10 sec then DRAM fills up drops to 1GB/s).

    as for the consumer 4TB.. quite expensive. there are 3.84TB enterprise drives with better endurance from micron/samsung on ebay and usually if they server pulled with a bit of usage still good, they can go half or a 3rd price of a consumer 4TB.

    the IOPs for large capacity SSD isn't all that important for me as I need the higher than HDD i/o for faster search, everything else just like HDD to store stuff. Optane boot drive all the way baby!!
     
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    ahaha nice! i was thinking EXACTLY about the Optane U.2 to M.2 mod for my machine! but in the end i went the 970 Pro route. let us know how it goes! :)
     
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    that signature is closing in on 2yrs old LOL.

    it didn't work out, I used the extra GPU power connector on mobo to provide power and getting it to 12v for U.2 12v rail and it still wont recognize it.

    if I use an adaptor and power it externally and data connection going through m.2 laptop picks it up just fine. just currently no way to power it not sure if GPU isn't connected power dont go through connector. instead i went sata mod to add more sata SSDs in 2nd GPU bay, had to kinda sacrifice bluetooth for it though, still trying to find a USB wifi + usb combo that works with server 2012. if i was on windows 10 or 8.1 im sure i'd have bluetooth + wifi issue solved by now.
     
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