Samsung SM961 (OEM version of 960 Pro) $150 on Newegg

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  1. Aivxtla

    Aivxtla Notebook Evangelist

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    The Samsung SM961 1TB SSD is $150 on Newegg right now with free shipping and comes with 3 year warranty from the seller:
    https://flash.newegg.com/product/9S...a97cf6836995d55b0INT&AID=10446076&PID=1225267


    Considering it's effectively a 960 PRO MLC drive, I would buy this over the 970 EVO TLC drives as being a MLC drive it can sustain it's high write speeds in large transfers as it does not need a SLC cache.

    Sold via MyDigitalDiscounts on Newegg, same guys who sell the MyDigital BPX and SBX drives.
     
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  2. iunlock

    iunlock 9900K @ 5.5GHz

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    Excellent SSD ... I've had great experiences with SM series MLC goodness....

    I just picked up the 970 EVO Plus and that thing is monstrous as well...

    Samsung TLC still has far better integrity than other el cheapo brands MLC .... I'd take a Sammy TLC over them any day.

    It'd be fun to RAID two of the SM961's for fun. :p
     
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    The item is not available in my region. Only USA. Thank you for sharing.
     
  4. stamar

    stamar Notebook Prophet

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    Thepm 981 which is like the 970 is cheaper on ebay
    I'm not sure what you like is better avout the 960 over the 970 but its not speed.

    And neither of them are as fast or have the mtbf of the competitors at full price at the moment.

    Hp 950ex or sabrent rocket

    The speed youre describing of sustained writes is normally considered not important.

    But if it is inportant the sabrent rocket series sold under several names is the fastest it has the fastest cpu
     
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  5. Aivxtla

    Aivxtla Notebook Evangelist

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    Just to play devil’s advocate, you say sustained writes aren’t important (Probably not for most home users), in that case how many people need 3GB/s sequential writes anyway or even notice the difference (most people don’t need that either)? It depends on a combination of workload and pricing.

    As for controllers no they are not as good as the Samsung’s Polaris, though not bad by any means.
     
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  6. seahawk10

    seahawk10 Notebook Guru

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    Is this the one you were speaking of:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/BRAND-NEW-...ALR-3D-M-2-PCIE-FAST-BLOWOUT-147/192897505129
     
  7. stamar

    stamar Notebook Prophet

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    Yes

    And definitely the new cpu in the sabrent rocket blows the samsung cpu away but the samsung to be released next will leapfrog it

    Don't take my word for it its just readily available googling the specs Nd speed if the two peices if hardware and its not close phison etc in mean it blows away thr 970ex or whatever which is faster than these two similar pm 961 pm 981
    And its slower in reality than the sm in in the hp 950ex but it is faster ij sustained read and right speeds

    As far as what matters to me? Read speed take one half second off boot its better.

    Take 3 seconds off a large file transfer eh

    An pm 981 is a 970 just so it won't be confused for a 980

    I own one also I have a 1 tb pm 981 and a 2 tb. hp 950ex

    And ill agree not a huge difference. Were looking at the end of the line for speed soon

    But a hp 950 ex is 2 models ahead of a sam 970 and I can tell like the hp 920 was better too its like a 970 ex and a 980 will be similar to whats out now from competitors when it comes
     
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  8. Aivxtla

    Aivxtla Notebook Evangelist

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    Bit of topic on my part but here’s I go lol:

    Just going even a good SATA drive to nVME boot times won’t be that different. Sequential isn’t the main determinant here.....
    There have been enough tests showing that.... For god’s sake even the boot time between my 960 Pro and 850 Pro (I Dual boot) is negligible. Problem is people think sequential is everything when it comes to responsiveness, it’s not.


    Here’s one test: Less than 1 sec (closer to 0.5 seconds) difference in boot time between 860 EVO and 970 EVO.... Infact an Optane drive with slower sequential speeds will be more responsive and boot slightly faster than your SSD because as I said earlier that isn’t the main determinant for responsiveness and boot times.
    https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fastest-windows-10-boot-time,5810.html

    Rather than reading off superficial specs on the website, better go look at things like random reads/writes, mixed workloads etc, in depth tests. Service time and sleep to wake latency are also other stats to look at. Yes the newer drives you mentioned will definitely win on some of these aspects but not for sustained performance and endurance for those that need it.


    For raw specs:
    960 Series including 961 OEM series.
    https://www.anandtech.com/show/10698/samsung-announces-960-pro-and-960-evo-m2-pcie-ssds
    EX950 and XPG SX8200 (Controller: Silicon Motion SM2262EN)
    https://www.anandtech.com/show/13759/comparing-adata-sx8200-pro-vs-hp-ex950
    The SM961 has lower writes but better Random IOPS. So its not as black and white.
    Also the 970EVO is better than the EX950 look at the destroyer benchmarks. Also full drive performance & latency on the EX950 is like 1/3 of the 970EVO also look at the full drive latency. Even the 960 PRO and SM961 will perform better there. The EX950's controller is no match for the Samsung 970's.That shows you how much better the Samsung Phoenix controller is better at moving data round. EX950 Performs well with low power usage but just look at the the massive idle to wake latency for example which can impact responsiveness.

    Also there’s more to an SSD performance than “cpu”, it’s a combination of NAND gen, NAND channels to controller and the controller itself. The Phoenix (970/980 series) is a better controller than the SM2262EN.

    Once again those aren’t bad SSDs by any means and are pretty good. But if you want the absolute best it’s the 970 PRO/EVO. This is taking into account overall performance, not just sequential reads and writes. And for those who need constant write performance like for video exports and other write intensive work an MLC drive of the 960 series is still a good buy at similar prices to some of the newer TLC drives. Not to mention it can sustain higher speeds even as the drive gets full. 960 Pro 1TB has a 800 TBW endurance and the HP950 1 TB has 650 TBW despite using newer gen NAND because it’s TLC. Sabrent doesn’t publish a TBW but it’s not going to be much different.
     
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    alexhawker Spent Gladiator

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    I mean, my 6 year old Win 8.1 SATA machine says it boots in 5.7 (hybrid shutdown disabled) - I can live with that.
     
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  10. AlexusR

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    Thanks, this is a good deal for such drive. Definitely better than TLC alternatives and considering original $400 price this is a huge discount.

    Edit: Your link shows $200 price, I believe it only works with Flash sale link, if you want to change it here is the one that works:
    https://flash.newegg.com/product/9S...a97cf6836995d55b0INT&AID=10446076&PID=1225267
     
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