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Samsung 128GB SSD vs. Intel 80GB X18-M...benchies! ;)

Discussion in 'Lenovo' started by CrunchDude, Aug 29, 2009.

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  1. User Retired 2

    User Retired 2 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    There's hide-type expressport e-sata cards on ebay for < US$20 delivered. They give > 70MB/S. Much better than USB.
     
  2. antskip

    antskip Notebook Deity

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    what's so painful about it? it is barely harder than moving a file between one folder to another internally...at least it is a lot easier and quicker than backing up to cd/dvd-r/rw's, or to an external usb drive, IMHO.
     
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    jonlumpkin NBR Transmogrifier

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    The Intel SSD has a very aggressive controller that uses write combining and write amplification and thus delivers exceptional performance for small random writes. These small random writes are often the most important thing for general OS responsiveness and perceived speed.

    The newer Samsung and Indillix drives are substantially faster for large sequential writes. However, unless you are feeding your SSD from a very fast source (e.g. another internal SSD) or are capturing/editing high-bitrate HD video it is extremely difficult to throw >70MB/s at any drive for a long period of time.

    The fact that sequential performance is far less important than random performance is why I have little incentive to upgrade my 64GB Samsung SLC SSD. Additionally, if I did upgrade it would be to a drive with a controller similar to the Intel that improved performance on small random writes (where mine is very good but not exceptional).
     
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    I'm not talking about simple file backup, but instead partition backup via Acronis, and the files can grow to be 10GB+

    I don't need it so much as to consider an expresscard. I know they exist, but it's still nice to see it built in to the laptop. Thanks for the advice though :)
     
  5. antskip

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    I guess it depends on how often you feel you have to image the system to external HDD, and how much room you have there. I have my SSD partitioned - one for os and programs (i.e. stuff it takes time to reinstall), one for created and saved files (i.e. virtual objects "unique" to me, and would not want to lose). I image the first area once a week (but probably over-kill - it is probably not even necessary even once a month - few changes are made to software). The second I update my mirror copies on the same external HDD (but in a separate partition from the images) using SyncToy 2.0.:)
     
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    Anubis32 Notebook Consultant

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    How does old gen Samsung 128GB MLC do with small random writes as these are the most important thing for general OS responsiveness ? I believe everyday use too.
     
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    It's still pretty good. No stuttering and far better than any HDD.
     
  8. chrixx

    chrixx Product Specialist

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    How is it even possible to secure one of the new Samsung drives? Can I just complain to Lenovo that my SSD isn't performing as well as those in newer X301s and get them to replace it? It's technically a "defect" because we're talking same product, but vastly different performance. :D
     
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    returnzer0 Notebook Enthusiast

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    I don't think write amplification means what you think it means. It's usually associated with the endurance and longevity of a drive, not its performance.
     
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    pem69 Notebook Consultant

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    And negatively associated, at that. Write amplification = bad. It can also have minor effects on performance, but hopefully not unless it's a really high value, in which case there are other problems to worry about, too (eg longevity).
     
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    Anand's latest SSD article has a equation/table for longevity of modern SSDs.
     
  12. CrunchDude

    CrunchDude Notebook Evangelist

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    Extremely....I mean exceptionally well explained. ;) Thanks very much, jon. I already went back to the Intel, and the WEI (Windows Experience Index), and you know, I go by that! Just like I do with the terror color chart. :D

    Anyway, the Intel is now back to 7.5 out of 7.9. The Samsung had gotten a 6.8, which isn't too shabby either, but the Intel SSD is not only lightning fast, but it's consistently lightning fast.

    erik, thank you as well. As usual, awesome crowd on this board! By the way, remember I got the X25-M SSD MLC literally one year ago, in September '08, right when they came out, and purchased from a cool dude who ran runs his own business, for $550 shipped. I do also remember that somehow I wasn't convinced that it was a new drive. For this, and a few other reasons, I didn't really like it. It didn't even feel like it was faster. It would even BSOD my T60p, andmy hands were tied, before it eventually crashed completely. The drive wasn't dead, I just had to reformat it, and I didn't have the patience for it at the time, so I didn't bother exchanging it, and sold it.

    Finally, this one was manufactured on 7/26/09, so how do I tell if it's a Gen 2 model.
     
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    Rambler Notebook Consultant

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    Hi,

    I bought a X301 with a Samsung 128GB SSD in late July this year and it appears to have the older 1st generation SSD (MMCQE28G8MUP FRU41W0519) from the attached benchmarks.

    What are the chances of having this drive replaced with the newer MMCRE28G8MXP (FRU45N7953) model, seeing that the hardware maintenance manual for the X301 only references the older 41W0519 FRU ?

    Thanks
     

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    You most likely do not have a G2. The end of the model number should say G1 or G2...but the G2 JUST started to come out at the time you mentioned yours was manufactured. Then the G2 line was pulled for a firmware update. I haven't seen the X18 G2 around much anyways. The X25 G2 is around here and there but goes out of stock really quickly. Just check the model number in device manager. But as I said most likely you have a G1. Unfortunately Intel is not going to release an update for TRIM support for the G1...
     
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    stylinexpat Notebook Evangelist

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    I have been looking around to find some benchmark tests for the new Intel X18-M 160GB. Anyone have any good review links with??
     
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    Should be exactly the same as the X25m 160 G2. Check Anand's articles.
     
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    edit: beaten. exact same as X25-M
     
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    So one of these new T400s with a new Intel X18 SSD in it should really fly:D
     
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    It would be pretty damn fast. It's still a little too costly for my blood atm. Maybe when the 80GB drive costs $100 or less, I'd get it.
     
  20. CrunchDude

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    Yes, you can. You guys are sometimes too afraid of corporations. Nothing against you, chrixx. I was just answering your question...lol. No, it has just been my observation that some members here are furious, but don't do anything about it. The same is true for cellphone customers in several another forums that I am a member of.

    Do your homework, i.e. get the FRU #, model #, and whatever identifies a drive, a stick of memory, an accessory, or anything else that defines an item as unique. Then make the call, write that email, and/or complain in the Lenovo forums. There are Lenovo moderators, which will likely very quickly come to your aid.

    No one representing Lenovo in whatever capacity wants you to be unhappy. They want you to come back next time, for another Thinkpad. As if we wouldn't anyway. :D

    Be polite, do not demand, don't be too aggressive, yet assertive (hard to explain), and absolutely no "language" of the four-letter kind.

    Try not to be shy, and have the mindset that this is what you're going to accomplish, not attempt to.

    In the case of the Samsung and its two different model and FRU numbers, be insistent that you bought this very expensive drive in good faith from Lenovo, a company that was recommended to you, or a company you have come to trust. You could have likely saved some good money, but no, you wanted one-stop shopping, and didn't want to buy from some fly-by-night computer accessory operation. Then you can add: "I'm not saying that about Lenovo, Sir, and I'm sure that this was merely a mistake.".

    I'll definitely exchange my Samsung (0VA/slow) for a (0VB/speedy) one.

    I'm sorry for the long post. I hope this will help somebody at some point, ;)

    Good luck to you all! :)
     
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