Ryzen vs i7 (Mainstream); Threadripper vs i9 (HEDT); X299 vs X399; Xeon vs Epyc

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  1. ole!!!

    ole!!! Notebook Prophet

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    thats why it is garbage silicon. TR will prob a tiny bit better, hopefully 100mhz.

    4.4ghz with zen2's IPC, 32-64 cores quad channel memory thats hard to resist.
     
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    interesting to see how the 3700x is systematically binned worse than the 3800x

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    They need better silicon for 3800X to compete with Intel's 8 cores chips you know (9900K):)
     
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    TANWare Just This Side of Senile, I think. Super Moderator

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    This might be true if they were priced equally, but they are not. Even then the 3800x has more cores too.
     
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    id say theyre doing pretty good on that front :)

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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    But look at the voltages. For two scores, both 3700X and 3800X at 4.4GHz, you have to use 1.44V on the 3700X but only 1.363V on the 3800X. Nearly 80mV for the same frequency is nothing to snuff at. Now, if they are using even better bins for the 16-core and 32-core and 64-core threadripper parts, it suggests we will see pretty good performance.

    This is especially true for a 32-core under $2K that beats Intel's 28-core when OC'd and costs $3K, plus needs a special $1100-1800 MB to run it.

    Edit: Also, this isn't a 1:1 comparison because the 3700X used slower mem, but also used Win 10, whereas the 3800X score is proper in Win 7.

    https://hwbot.org/submission/4209071_zalera92_cinebench___r15_ryzen_7_3700x_2325_cb
    https://hwbot.org/submission/4197706_jumper118_cinebench___r15_ryzen_7_3800x_2325_cb
     
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    Then you should expect higher scores for 3700X with equal ram and OS :)

    Yeah, as I said the 3800X is higher binned. But 4.4 is near the top anyway for normal good cooling.
     
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    3700x and 3800x are fine too compared against a 9900k / 9700k, and small game FPS differences are small enough so as to be unnoticeable. No need to spend $500 on the 3900x or $750 on the 3950x unless you want to outperform the HEDT / Xeon CPU's from Intel.
     
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    That makes no sense! CB15 does BETTER with Win 10, not worse! You equalize ram, going from 3000 to 3600, you get a boost, but if they did it on Win 7, it drops it down. So you CANNOT say with certainty the 3700X would perform better. That is absurd and if you don't know which chips get better scores with which OS, you shouldn't make such statements. Take my 3707 score in windows 7 versus my 3745 score with benchmate in windows 10. Or any of the geekbench scores. Simply put, your conjecture there makes no sense. Plus 80mV is enough for another 50-100MHz, cooling allowing.

    And considering the difference on top frequency for TR on 16-cores each gen, expecting it to stay cooler while running with lower voltage makes sense, which can allow for better speeds.

    Either way, we'll see once released and bench scores come out. Same with Cascade-X (which shares the same socket as Skylake-X). Something tells me people will be chaffed at the premium for Intel at same core count, or they will just grab the 32-core chips from AMD at the same price as Intel's 16 or 18 core chips.
     
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