Ryzen vs i7 (Mainstream); Threadripper vs i9 (HEDT); X299 vs X399; Xeon vs Epyc

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    So now we have proof a quad die TR IS possible! That means that Intel CANNOT release something that can beat core count and price if AMD truly wanted to for HEDT. That is an INSANE thought. If 7nm does hit the higher limit toward 5GHz target for server (seen here page 2: https://www.globalfoundries.com/sit...s/product-brief-7lp-7nm-finfet-technology.pdf), then they could literally put out a 7nm (TR3) that just spanks Intel up/down/left/right/center. If still doing monolith, Intel couldn't do a 24+core for the HEDT at a reasonable price at 5GHz and win. Especially with the small benefit that is likely on Ice when going against 7nm TR3. Just saying, AMD, knock this out of the park and there will be nothing left for that stage of the fight!
     
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    This proves that according to the CCX's and TR PCB the four complexes can be at least powered. So AMD could muster up the system to make it really tough on Intel. This though may not be for x399 owners.

    I could easily see where x399 may not be suited to properly divvy up PCI-e lanes and maybe a TR3 CPU and the new chipset (x499 or further?) to make it happen. I could see 12nm even being able to do this but AMD may not be willing to have a TR chip at TDP of 310 watts or maybe even higher.
     
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    Such an underestimated processor the 1900X

    Im impressed with the Threadripper 1900X, especially for around $349-$399 Fantastic cpu to get up and running on the X399 chipset..

    It seems every 1900X will run at 4.4Ghz with the new Enermax Dedicated Thread ripper AIO coolers.
    They are working just as good as custom loops.

    This 8 core @4,4Ghz really fights off the 8700K. People complain about single threaded performance, but it really breaks in to the SUB 190'S on CINEBEBCH, with the right memory. I dont think theres much difference.

    Ive built countless intel systems. But i am hoping AMD is very successful with Ryzen 2. I'd like to see more variation in laptop platforms to, hopefully a mobile ryzen 8/16
     
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    Asus ROG GL702ZC owners lounge
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/asus-rog-gl702zc-owners-lounge.809882/page-21#post-10677730

    Been tracking the Asus GL702ZC for a while here too:

    AMD's Ryzen CPU's (Ryzen/TR/Epyc) & Vega/Polaris GPU's
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ga-polaris-gpus.799348/page-233#post-10564935

    That thread is for "pure" Ryzen discussion, while this thread is for "vs" comparison's. :)

    The 1900x is a nice step up, but aren't the prices down far enough now that bumping up to a 1920x or 1950x isn't too much more expensive. Or, are you saying the OC for the 1900x has a leg up on those two higher core count CPU's?
     
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    Power isn't the issue. He is checking with Epyc which has two extra memory controllers on it (likely why it can't get past memory check) and that has an on board chipset, which means there are two chipsets in the system when an Epyc CPU is present. Of course the bios is going to be conflicted.

    If AMD plans on compatibility through 2020, and they have plans for a future quad die, then the issue is firmware changes and disabling two memory controllers on two of the door dies, while also tweaking the shared memory to the two dies without IMCs due to the memory latency involved. It also would be without the on die chipsets found on Epyc CPUs. You are correct on paring down which die's pcie is used also. But these are technical issues that can be overcome. I understand not doing it first gen, because it would have harmed effectiveness and efficiency in the HEDT chips. I don't even think it will be on the 12nm variant. But beyond that, I think it is entirely possible.

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    The 1900X does have a leg up on overclocking. But ive seen the 1920/1950X getting to 4.2-4.3Ghz stable mostly benching though. 4.15+Ghz is just about a given on any 1950X with that enermax Liqtech AIO "This AIO cooler works better than any! Huge heat plate that is full coverage of a Threadripper cpu, and some" . Considering the 1950X is only $799.. This is just so far beyond any intel.

    And disabling cores will achieve the same results. In Ryzen master software. But, anything over 4ghz on 16 to 32 threads is devastation!

    Ive read all about the GL702ZC laptop, and im in the market for a laptop right now. I might still get it. You can drop a 1800X Ryzen right in and undervolt it.. i want to buy one! But, i hate that it is limited to a underclocked RX580 running at only 1066mhz core. Ive read some people have flashed its bios to run standard RX580 clock speeds. Which puts it ahead of a gtx1060. But the 1700 cpu easily doubles that of i7 7th gen in other options.

    If your really wanting 4.4+ ghz everyday stable on a 1950X. Id use a Ray storm neo waterblock. A water chiller, and (1) 480mm rad on its own loop. A 1900X would probably run 4.5Ghz on this nearly edging out a 6950X (10) core,

    Fastest memory possible is key on these x399 systems. Preferably 3400-3600mhz
     
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    GT 1030 vs. RX 550 / Ryzen 3 vs Core i3, Finding The Best Budget Gaming Combo

    1:41 PUBG
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    This is very interesting, X399 had more than 2x the interest by viewer count during the Computex 2017 AMD vs Intel coverage...
     
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