Ryzen vs i7 (Mainstream); Threadripper vs i9 (HEDT); X299 vs X399/TRX40; Xeon vs Epyc

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  1. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    You are tilting at non-existent Wind-Mills and you are missing the whole picture.

    There are millions of super happy AMD users out there already, and ten's of millions more coming. They are getting better performance than they've ever had and are loving it.

    I'm thrilled with the performance of the 3700x @ OC of 15% - 20% - and it outperforms the 3800x - the next sku up.

    As most people do I back off of the top 3700x OC on everyday use and I don't notice the difference in everyday use - 15% OC is enough. For 99.99% of the owners of any CPU they run it as it is out of the box, and would never even explore the extremes of their CPU.

    If AMD or Intel threw away all but the top 1% of silicon, they'd be throwing away 99% of their produced silicon, and you think that's the way they should all operate? And to you that sounds like a sane way to run a business?

    You are complaining about a completely inconsequential difference that no one needs, or wants - even when you point it out and get them excited about it - they'll eventually come to their senses and realize it's much ado about nothing useful in everyday life. And, then they grow up and move on to real things that matter.

    And AMD keeps getting better from here...
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    Intel? Probably not so much...for quite a while...if ever.
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  2. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    For AMD Silicon Lottery is a waste of time and money. SL is also a waste of money for Intel CPU's as well, outrageous prices so far outside the realm of reality for most people. SL's value is as a learning tool as to what is really important in life and gaming.

    No normal gamer cares enough about that extra 2%-3% to pay those crazy prices.

    AMD's CPU's are consistent in performance and the outliers like mine may show better "numbers" when OC'd, the real life translation of this small difference is unnoticeable - that's why I run it under the maximum OC.

    Even though at maximum OC the 3700x temperature is low around 70c at full load, at only 5% less OC the 3700x OC temps drop to 50c-60c. So what's the point of wasting power heating and cooling for an insignificant yet negligible performance difference?

    The same goes for OC'ing Intel CPU's, if you spend your life at that 1-3% difference - which is meaningless in real life, and totally irrelevant to any normal person buying a OC for actual use.

    And your benchmarking 1st thinking takes you to the point of suggesting that AMD should throw away - not sell - the 99% of silicon under the top performing 1%?

    Essentially throwing out everyone's perfectly good PC - except for yours...

    That's too far out there and gone man...:D
     
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  3. saturnotaku

    saturnotaku Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    I'm just gonna leave this here:

     
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  4. TANWare

    TANWare Just This Side of Senile, I think. Super Moderator

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    Why are you guys beating a dead horse? AMD is not an overclocking sport CPU, end of story. Of the literal multitudes of thousands of users here less than a handful are upset about it, just like the x399 kill off. I doubt AMD cares that much, it is spilled milk but remember and point it out as well!
     
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  5. Mr. Fox

    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist

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    Agreed. Although, I am not sure that being a "normal gamer" is something actually worthy of aspiration or admiration. To wit, the same are just fine with the idea of paying a lot of money for chintzy disposable turdbooks. Popularity isn't evidence of intelligence. It is more likely to be the opposite. So, using that as a example might not be a good card to play.

    I do agree that the prices are truly asinine. That applies across the board to all tech. It is just more asisine the higher up you go on the food chain. It helps create a perception of value when the level of asinine is not as high. At the end of the day, we are all suckers of varying degrees, because nothing any of us pay for anything actually represents good value.
     
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  6. hmscott

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    I've still got a nice x58 motherboard and was thinking of taking a new AMD GPU like a 5700xt and seeing how it would run, maybe I could get away with a cheaper 5500xt or 5600xt, anyway here's a dual x58 build with a 5500xt whose dual CPU's provide 8c/16t and only drops a few FPS in his gaming tests compared to a 9900ks running the same 5500XT:

    Dual X58 "Phantom Gaming PC" - Can 2 x X5677 Xeons and a 5500 XT STREAM at over 144 FPS...?
    Jan 25, 2020
    Tech YES City
    It's been a long time since I put together a Dual Xeon System, and thanks to Ryzen Threadripper Patches on Windows 10, the NUMA aware (dual CPU systems) are performing quite a lot better. Though what is the difference between this and a 9900KS with an ASRock Phantom Gaming 5500 XT at 1080p and 1440p? Also can this system stream fortnite whilst getting over 144 avg fps? Let's find out.
    5500 XT PGX: https://amzn.to/38BT2ZO H510i
    Case: https://amzn.to/2TWOZ6q
    X5677 (x2): http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_sfHGJU DDR3
    (Reg ECC is fine too): http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/eo9dt9sk
    600 Watt Power Supply: https://amzn.to/2uzB5w1
    Creative Audigy FX Sound Card: https://amzn.to/2usnsiu USB 3 addin card: https://amzn.to/2sUxgRJ
    CPU Cooler with RGB Ring Fan: http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/DZjawS8s
    1TB HDD: https://amzn.to/2Rns3LH
    120GB SSD: https://amzn.to/2tQgweP
    Super Micro Motherboard (Dual X58): http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_spr33Y


    There are still a lot of server motherboards and xeon's out there for fairly cheap that could be used to put together a cheap gaming rig. Powers a bit high at idle, but the lower power 5500xt fits in nicely.
     
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    Buying used is very smart. Used tech values drop like a rock as used car values generally do, and it's always nice to let someone else take the blood bath on the depreciation. Unless you accidentally buy someone else's mess, you come out miles ahead financially. The risk is the same for buying a brand new lemon, it just costs more when you buy a new lemon.
     
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    AMD vs. Intel for Hardware Unboxed associate sales through Amazon shows a growing share of Ryzen vs Intel before Ryzen 3xxx with a far larger share for Ryzen vs Intel after Ryzen 3xxx released:

    AMD vs. Intel, Nvidia vs AMD: Amazon Sales Battle, What You Bought in 2019
    Feb 8, 2020
    Hardware Unboxed
     
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  9. Papusan

    Papusan JOKEBOOKs Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on FILTHY

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    Intel 10nm ‘Ice Lake SP’ 14 Core Server CPU Gets First Selfie On SiSoft Sandra, Over 54% IPC Improvement


    http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/get-desktop-server-now-or-wait.831921/#post-10991104

    It's official: Intel's high-performance 10nm is finally here. After what seems like years of waiting, Intel's high-performance 10nm processors have entered final testing stages and the tell-tale leaks are beginning to sprout everywhere.

    That said, I was surprised to see just how much performance this CPU was able to squeeze out. The Intel Whitley Ice Lake SP CPU ES sample scored a multi-core score of almost 28,000 points - which is a very impressive result for a 12-core part. I am also fairly certain that power efficiency would have gone through the roof as well. One thing is for sure, Ice Lake is on the prowl and AMD is about to face some serious competition.
     
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  10. ajc9988

    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    One catch: sisoft Sandra has used AVX 512 since the 2016 version. That means that this score may not be representative of real world performance.

    Other than that, impressive.
     
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