Runcore T50 6Gb/s 120GB Review

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  1. Nemix77

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    Link: Runcore T50 6Gb/s 120GB EXCLUSIVE mSATA SSD Review - The Worlds First 6Gbps mSATA SSD Hits The Streets - The SSD Review

    Looks to be a really good and fast mSATA SSD. I'm still waiting on the Intel 'Paint Creek' 80GB coming hopefully this month with a price drop over the Intel 310 80GB.

    If Runcore decides to drop the price of the T50 to compete with the Intel 'Paint Creek's pricing per GB (when it's released) then I may highly consider the Runcore for more space and faster seq read/writes.

    I really don't mint a SandForce controller especially when comes to mSATA's, mSATA's do not use SATA driver from Intel/AMD. Unlike Renice, Runcore now has a North American based office and is covered by a 3 year warranty.

    I know a lot of people on this forum dislike and bashing SandForce based SSD's but the truth is not even Intel is perfect when is comes to stability and reliability on SSD's, recall the 320 firmware bug.
     
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    The SandForce issue is very minute and, just like all other similar issues in other hardware areas, we see the people experiencing the problems first and foremost and those happy are the silent majority.

    IMHO, if we found an actual percentage, it would be similar to just about every hardware failure rate including hard drives.

    As for the drive not using the SATA driver (being standard MSAHI from Win7 or Intels version in RST V 10), that wouldn't be accurate. It, of course is still SATA and requires same drivers.
     
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    Great reply, I'm thinking mSATA uses the standard MS driver and Trim is done by the mSATA's controller itself.

    If given a choice between a 120GB Intel or SandForce, I'd definitely take the Intel but no such Intel based mSATA SSD exists.

    I'm really split right now on a decision for which mSATA to get but one thing's for sure, I'm waiting around for the the Intel 'Paint Creek' to be release and make my choice from there.
     
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    The Sandforce issue is far from minute. Yes, some of the problems have been fixed. But there are still tons of people with them randomly dying/BSODing every day, not so with non-Sandforce. Yes, Intel has had some issues with the 320 series, though it is a fairly rare one (no comfort to those that experience it I know). I personally have a 320 and am not terribly worried.
     
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    Just to be fair the point of mentioning the Intel firmware bug was is to clearly state not even the most favorable brand when it come to reliability is safe from SSD's failures and problems.

    In all seriousness the same thing was said about AMD's Llano before release, Intel lovers bashing how AMD would not stand up to Sandy Bridge and reality is Llano's raw CPU power is no match for Intel but for the average gamer on a budget they now have the last laugh.

    I'm not too keen but I don't think I've heard of any reports about SandForce mSATA SSD's having problems and maybe it's too early to tell but the same can be said about Intel mSATA SSD's both being just released in early to mid 2011.

    Only time will tell which is more reliable and less prone to problems in the mSATA market, for now I'll play the waiting game and choose the one the best fits my storage needs and budget.
     
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    Indeed there are not enough mSatas out there to draw conclusions on the various brand reliabilities. But since they use the same basic controllers as the full-size brethren, Sandforce based ones would worry me.
     
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    For those think SF drive is not a problem, ask yourself a simple question, how come there is no major OEM using ANY BRAND of SF based drive ?

    As for not hearing about mSATA SF issue, it could simply be that there may only be a handful of people even ever tried it.

    This is not about bashing but making reasonable choice and honoursly speaking choosing a SF is not a reasonable choice given the alternatives one has.

    And if you want to be very specific, Intel's mSATA offering is not using the same firmware as the 320 but the old G2 one, if I am not mistaken.

    Your money, your time, your data, your choice.
     
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    Very true indeed, making my decision after the wait is over much tougher...

    On one hand I don't exactly need the space of 120GB for just the OS and programs ATM but on the other hand 120GB much more future proof since the investment is likely to be used for up to 3 years, probably even involving a Windows 8 upgrade and not too mention programs updates only get bigger with every new release.

    Th best thing to do is to just wait for a 120GB mSATA from Intel next year but I don't have the patience for that plus it does not fit in my current plan. If I were to do that then I may as well label my current SB laptop as a rental and upgrade to Ivy along with a phat Intel 120GB mSATA SSD next year all with W8 in the whole package.

    Going back to currently, I want to play it safe but for the time being I'm unsure. Who knows, I might take a chance on a SF based mSATA SSD after 'Paint Creek' has been released. After all the Runcore SF based mSATA does fit in my plan for keeping the SSD though a Windows 8 upgrade providing 120GB is sufficient plus the 3 year warranty isn't too shabby either.

    More thoughts and research is needed but I'm now leaning towards the Runcore because the space, speed and warranty fits in my long term plan.
     
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    Umm yes and actually, I find those results to be VERY low compared to what they should be. Lets examine this as it should be and use OCZ since it has the highest. First, OCZ has close to 80% of ssd sales correct? It would be natural then to believe that eight out of ten complaints will be OCZ related.

    Now, lets look at posters. I admire Phil immensely and enjoyed looking at that but there should be an understanding of the consumer response provided. Typically, you will be lucky to find 1/10 happy users bragging about their electronics but as soon as something goes wrong, that number jumps drastically as people look for help. Its a very vocal minority with problems which jades any true representation of the actual level of failure.

    The ONLY true representation will eventually be done by someone like Google who did it for hard drives which resuklted in the fact that hard drive failure is considerably higher than manufacturers have chosen to acknowledge.


    Is the same possible here? We can't answer that just as we can't realistically guess at a failure rate by people who respond and have an unfair number who have come looking for help with their SSD.

    Just my thoughts!

    EDIT... Sorry but I didn't read all the responses. With respect to SandForce in comparison to other brands of SSDs, that is not a fair comparison as well as OWC has reported a failure reported a failure rate that is next to 0. They have had a great deal of success with the SandForce controller. What we need to determine is an accurate way of determining exactly what the true representation of failure is.

    For instance, SandForce SSDs most likely make up 90 percent of total sales if not more. So, again, we can only expect to see 9 out of 10 complaints as a result. To this point, SandForce, or anyone else, has yet to prove that the issue is SandForce related whatsoever. Many might be surprised to find out that SandForce has even gone so far as to buy complete systems from unhappy consumers who stated that their system has shown failure in the SandForce series SSD, regardless of the manufacturer.

    So, at the end of the day, we have an inordinate number of people who are having problems and come for assistance and then the fact that they are SandForce seems to create a 'bug' without most realizing that, in all actuality, there are a very high volume of completely satisfied SandForce customers that don't write about it.

    Don't we wonder whats up with an issue that cannot be replicated on a consistent basis? There are so many variables that come into effect well before the manufacturer of the controller and, in the end, an impartial person also needs to ask why there are so many happy customers not experiencing this problem from a manufacturer (SF) that controls 90% or higher in sales.

    In the end, I am NOT saying that there sin't a possibility that there is some issue with the SF controller but, at the same time, I am also saying that the total picture is very jaded and extremely difficult to put in proper perspective because of the above issues I have put forward.
     
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