RTX v RTX Max Q?

Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Cariblo, Aug 11, 2019.

  1. Felix_Argyle

    Felix_Argyle Notebook Geek

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    Well, perhaps they have reinforced the hinges in current model and you won't have issues... but the previous GE73 models did have issues, this is a well known fact, you can find examples in MSI forums and on Reddit. In any case just be careful when opening and closing display lid. I have not seen similar issues with other brands when I did my research before buying my laptop.
    :D Thanks for the laugh ;-) Logic dictates that if they did that - the owners would not have issues like these:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/MSILaptops/comments/a548ru/ge73vr_raider_hinge/
    https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GE73-Raider-008-Extreme-i7-7700HQ/product-reviews/B073YG132S

    And other models:
    https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=299477.0
    https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=312082.0
    https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=320016.0

    Just because YOU got lucky with your particular unit does not mean there is no design flaw.
     
  2. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    His report is just as valid as the ones you point out, and just because there are a few doesn't mean it's an epidemic.

    My own use is with the GT models and they are built very solid, GT80, GT73, GT75 with no hinge or structural problems over 2 years+.

    I do know not to open and close my lid numerous times a day. I don't close my lid to sleep my laptop, and I don't run with the lid closed when using an external display - I use the internal monitor for... monitoring windows from various tools, keeping them off the main display.

    I also put the protective cloth between the keyboard and the screen without fail to keep the keycaps from marring the screen covering.

    As a matter of experience I've learned over the years not to "use" mechanical things involved with laptops more than necessary. Simply not opening and closing a laptop screen multiple times a day multiplies the number of days between screen hinge failures. If I do it 4x per day (2 at home 2 at work) or just as likely 4x per week or month if I don't want my laptop at work, instead of 20x per day I've just extended the life of the hinge by 5x or more.

    I also don't pick up the laptop by the display - yeah, some people do that and then swing it around like that's how it's supposed to be picked up and transported. Pick it up by the base, and support the display by half closing it and carrying it using your hands / thumbs on the base.

    I also keep the laptop out of the hands of children and inexperience adults. :)

    Similarly I don't use the internal keyboard / trackpad because I use similar external keyboard / pointing devices across a number of computers so I can type at full speed and not make errors when typing - much easier when you use the same keyboard across all of your systems and locations.

    That saves the crispiness of the keyboard for the following owners - a good selling point BTW, and unused keyboard makes the laptop shine and gives the keyboard a good feel when they try it out - it's new after all.

    Before using external keyboard / point devices I used to have to replace laptop keyboards at least once and sometimes 2 or 3 times during the life of the laptop for myself and family laptops.

    So rather than limiting "be careful" to "MSI stuff" I'd say be careful with any laptop. If you take good care of the hinge / keyboard the exceptional results are all down to your usage. :)
     
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  3. Felix_Argyle

    Felix_Argyle Notebook Geek

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    Like I said, MSI might have fixed it in current version but personally I would avoid it based on my own research. A research which showed abnormally high complaints about hinges in previous MSI models compared to other brands and something I cannot ignore even if some people (like you) had a good experience. It's like with current Alienware 51m models - there are some users who have used them without issues and there are plenty of others who had burned out VRMs on them. I've read the 51m thread here and I also found plenty of stuff on Reddit, so I also decided to not bother with that (even considering the warranty).

    Long story short, if others are willing to gamble with their own money - hey, that's their choice, I just wanted to warn them.
     
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  4. Cariblo

    Cariblo Notebook Consultant

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    Alright guys I'm on the final leg of my decision.

    I am ow deciding between the MSI GE75: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-...3-144hz-i7-9750h-gaming-laptop-lt-29j-ms.html

    Asus Rog Scar 2: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus...4hz-3ms-i7-8750h-gaming-laptop-lt-26v-as.html

    (This one is tempting because its very cheap at the moment ad the CPU is apparently only 5% worse than the i7-9750H.

    Or wait until the Asus Rog Scar 3 is out with that amazing 240ghz screen! https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus...0hz-3ms-i7-9750h-gaming-laptop-lt-28r-as.html
     
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  5. JRE84

    JRE84 Notebook Evangelist

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    I don't know....I tend to agree with hmscott. 1 million units sold and you point out 3 people with problems and put me down...

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    Ok I spent 30 seconds finding this, you could have done the same...

    However, readers using MSI laptops gave the company some very Apple-like ratings: Overall satisfaction was 9.1 and satisfaction with reliability was 9.0. The likelihood recommend MSI was 8.7.

    It is such a reliable brand its tied with apple at number 2..... 1 apple msi 2...

    So this is based on a very accurate source readers source and you better not chime in and argue this.

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    https://www.pcmag.com/article/341366/readers-choice-awards-2016-laptops-and-desktop-pcs
     
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  6. Cariblo

    Cariblo Notebook Consultant

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    Any thoughts o which is the best between those 3?
     
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  7. Felix_Argyle

    Felix_Argyle Notebook Geek

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    No idea. I did not own any of those models but perhaps you can find owners in dedicated Asus and MSI subforums and see if they report any issues or what is their experience like with support and warranty process.

    Also take a look at reviews on Notebookcheck, they might have some useful data about things like fan noise or display quality (whatever is important for you).

    Check Amazon reviews, especially on Amazon US site. Also search Reddit for specific models to see if someone had specific issues. Always trust the data by real users, not made-up statistics by paid shill sites like PCMag ;-)

    Oh, and here is YouTube channel which might be helpful:
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2Rzju32yQPkQ7oIhmeuLwg
     
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  8. Cariblo

    Cariblo Notebook Consultant

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    Unfortunately no one ever replies on those forums anymore :(
     
  9. Casowen

    Casowen Notebook Consultant

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    stay with the 1070, or give it away and get a 2080 or something. Yes going from pascal to turing will be very underwhelming, and alot of that will be application optimized and dependent. If your a 4k person, then your going to notice a serious difference, and thats really going to be it for turing. One of turings claim to fame is the use of new vulkan library codec and ray tracing. Ray tracing is more or less a joke, but the new vulkan coding is interesting, and appears to be primarily responsible for turings performance. If I had to guess, you can probably get the turing vulkan to work on pascal, like how ray tracing does but with modified drivers. Doing that would maybe unlock significant performance for pascal, but nvidia obsolescence based drivers, we probably wont see it outside of user hacks. For all the money you will spend, consider building a pc, I kind of wish I did.
     
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  10. IKAS V

    IKAS V Notebook Prophet

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    Review of the MSI GE75 + RTX 2080

    https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-G...15034.0.html#toc-emissions-loud-but-effective

    Review of the ASUS Scar lll + RTX 2070


    https://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-...-with-compromises.427678.0.html#toc-emissions

    They are both pretty good but have extremely loud fans when gaming ( for my taste ) no Gsync display options and no TB port, if your OK with those things .

    If I had to choose between those 2 alone I would get the MSI for the power advantage alone but both of those laptops are not my first choice. I did look into those pretty deeply and personally not for me .
    I did pick up a ACER Predator Triton 500 RTX 2080MQ when it was sale for a huge discount at MicroCenter in the USA and love it so far, runs fairly quiet and cool when gaming and have had no problems with it so far for the past 6 + months.
    Only thing that’s sucks about is it’s a pain to take apart because of the flipped MOBO but I can live with that, I’m OK with it being a MQ laptop because with the 1080P Gsync 144Hz display it will have more than enough power to last me at least 2-3 years if not more as long as everything doesn’t breakdown.
    I realize most people on these forums are not fans of MQ laptops but they do have a purpose even though you might pay the same as a MaxP GPU and get slightly less performance, that’s why I waited for it to be on sale instead of paying full price.
     
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