[*Resolved] "Prototype Test-NVIDIA Confidential" Error Message [See posts #283, 319]

Discussion in 'Alienware 18 and M18x' started by lubu, Oct 7, 2011.

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  1. lubu

    lubu Notebook Geek

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    Im not a pessimist but I dont think this would be resolved anytime soon, who knows maybe they will make the template more difficult to hack.

    But I hope Im wrong.
     
  2. skygunner27

    skygunner27 A Genuine Child of Zion

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    Me too............
     
  3. steviejones133

    steviejones133 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Also, in relation to this problem, I wonder if Mr. Fox has heard any news from his request for an ammended vBios with the higher clocks for P-states P8/P12.....
     
  4. Mr. Fox

    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist

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    I had the opportunity to speak with Louis, Bill and Chris today on a conference call for M17x R3 owners. Louis spoke at the end of the conference call about the prototype overlay problem that M18x owners are experiencing, and below are the highlights of that conversation.

    • The M17x R3 does not have this issue because it has a special license from NVIDIA that coincides with the native 120Hz display panel intended for 3D.
    • The M17x R3 is identified by NVIDIA as a 3D laptop, whereas the M18x is not because the M18x only "supports" 3D though the use of a peripheral display. (The M18x is not treated any different by NVIDIA than any other computer with a GTX 580M video card and no built-in 120Hz display.)
    • NVIDIA drivers include 3DTV Play software by default, but the software requires activation. The M17x R3 is equipped with an NVIDIA IR unit, and its system BIOS and vBIOS have components that (when combined) activates the 3DTV Play software automatically. This occurs on the M17x R3 without user intervention.
    • The M18x is not available with an integrated 120Hz 3D display panel like the R3, and therefore the M18x is not eligible for 3DTV Play licensing to be included by NVIDIA at no extra charge. NVIDIA will not do that on laptops (or desktops) without a built-in 120Hz 3D display panel.
    • The M18x is "3D-capable" with the proper external display, but NVIDIA will charge for licensing and activation to use 3DTV Play if a native 120Hz laptop display panel is not detected by the NVIDIA drivers. (This is not limited to M18x owners. It applies to any computer owner that wants 3D output using a display that is not native to the laptop.)
    • The most current NVIDIA drivers are "broken" and will not work correctly, even with 3DTV Play properly activated. The overlay message will still appear. Dell has tested and confirmed this issue. NVIDIA has acknowledged the problem exists and they are working on fixing what they accidentally broke in one of their next driver releases. Until NVIDIA fixes the problem, users that purchased licensing and activation for 3DTV Play for their 3D-capable systems (those using an external display) will need to fall back to NVIDIA 285.62 drivers for 3D output to work properly.

    I know this is not necessarily what M18x owners wanted to hear, but it is very good to have some answers and a clear understanding of the issue. Those that want 3D viewing using an external display will need to purchase the 3DTV Play activation from NVIDIA and use the older driver until a fix is released by NVIDIA.
     
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    No word on that, but I don't think they will modify the P-states from spec. I did not ask in the call because I was trying to stay on topic and let Dell address the R3 owner concerns with throttling. (We only got to touch on the 3D overlay issue at the tail end of the call because there was a few extra minutes and Dell offered to address it so I could provide an update in this thread for M18x owners.)

    The conference call for R3 owners was very enlightening. Based on what I heard in that call, it's unrealistic to expect "mods" like this from Dell because of various government compliance standards as well as strict specs that Dell adheres to for all laptops in production.

    I suspect the "R3 Team Green" point people will expand on what I am mentioning in their thread.
     
  6. skygunner27

    skygunner27 A Genuine Child of Zion

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    Thanks Fox for rounding up the highlights. It's nice to get a glimpse on where they stand with this.

    It's still ridiculous that the drivers produce that overlay. Thanks to lubu, we have a solid solution. Hopefully Nvidia will leave well enough alone.
     
  7. Mr. Fox

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    You're welcome, 'gunner.

    You guys might want to check out the chatter from the call in this thread: http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...80m-78c-throttling-see-post-191-later-20.html as it is pretty interesting even though most of it applies to the R3 only. (We're blessed to own the M18x. There are legitimate reasons we no longer have a 580M throttling issue and R3 owners still do.)

    Dell also shed some light on SATA-III speed issues, which I mentioned here.
     
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    Thank you Lubu for your work around to fix Nvidia/Dells major screw ups. You helped us out and saved Dell hundreds of thousands of dollars in replacement parts/computers.
     
  9. lubu

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    Glad I could help.

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    Here's the batch file I created so you dont need to repeat those cucumbersome steps to remove the warning msg.

    1.First create a folder directory, mine is C:\remove3dmsg
    2.Now copy the nvstres.dll that you've already modified to this directory.
    3.Download and unzip the remove3dmsg.bat below and throw it in there.
    4.Run the batch file when you need to but remember to right click and select "Run as Administrator" because modifying anything in Program Files needs Admin's Privileges.

    **This batch file assumes that the nvstres.dll is the same for all current drivers.**

    Now if your folder directory has a different name than mine you'll need to edit the batch file with notepad. Its really simple, the first cmd line is to delete the old dll file, the second line is to copy the the modified one to the 3D Vision folder. What you'll need to modify here is the directory highlighted in red.

    del "C:\Program Files (x86)\NVIDIA Corporation\3D Vision\nvstres.dll"
    copy /-y "C:\remove3dmsg\nvstres.dll" "C:\Program Files (x86)\NVIDIA Corporation\3D Vision\nvstres.dll"
    pause


    Enjoy.
     

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    skygunner27 A Genuine Child of Zion

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    Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! +rep!!!
     
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