Report: Tesla is bleeding talent from its Autopilot division

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  1. hmscott

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    RoboTaxi by Tesla: Autonomy Day Event Recap
    Roadshow
    Published on Apr 24, 2019
    Tesla's autonomous robotaxi fleet might be closer than you think. Tesla's Autonomy Investor Day was a lot of things. It was a shockingly deep dive into hardware architecture, it was a lesson on training a neural network, and most importantly, it was a look at Tesla's plans to have a massive fleet of "robotaxis" operating in the US. Read more - https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/teslas-autonomous-robotaxi-fleet-might-be-closer-than-you-think


    Tesla Autonomy Day Autopilot Full Self Driving With Model 3 Explained

    DPCcars
    Published on Apr 23, 2019
    Tesla offers two different advanced driver assistance packages to customers: Autopilot and Full Self-Driving. Autopilot is ADAS that offers a combination of adaptive cruise control and lane steering and is now a standard feature on new cars. The price of vehicles has been adjusted higher to reflect the addition of Autopilot as a standard feature.

    Full Self-Driving, or FSD, costs an additional $5,000. (And, to be clear, vehicles are not full self-driving driving.) FSD includes Summon as well as Navigate on Autopilot, an active guidance system that navigates a car from a highway on-ramp to off-ramp, including interchanges and making lane changes. Once drivers enter a destination into the navigation system, they can enable “Navigate on Autopilot” for that trip.

    Tesla continues to improve Navigate on Autopilot and the broader FSD system through over-the-air software updates. The company says on its website that FSD will soon be able to recognize and respond to traffic lights and stop signs and automatically drive on city streets.


    Tesla Autonomy Day - Timestamps, edited.
    Jason Deen
    Published on Apr 23, 2019
    Edited Tesla Autonomy Day presentation. Trimmed to remove looping press footage from beginning and long static video at the end.
    00:00:00 Intro
    00:02:31 Pete Bannon - FSD Computer
    00:24:30 Q&A/Comments by Pete and Elon
    00:42:36 Andrej Karpathy - Tesla NN
    01:16:00 Q&A/Comments by Anrdrej and Elon
    01:41:19 Stuart Bowers - Autopilot Software
    01:51:03 Elon Musk - Future of Tesla AV and The Tesla Network
     
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    Ahh, I was wondering what the impetus was for the Telsa Autonomy Day dog and pony show, timed as it was to shine before dropping these terrible Q1 results.

    Tesla loses $2.90/share, revenue light, as well

    CNBC Television
    Published on Apr 24, 2019
    Tesla announces a big miss on the top and bottom line. And Loup Ventures' Gene Munster reacts to Tesla's earnings. With CNBC's Phil LeBeau Melissa Lee and the Fast Money traders, Pete Najarian, Tim Seymour, Chris Verrone and Guy Adami.


    Tesla Surprises Most With an Awful Q1 Earnings Report
    E for Electric
    Published on Apr 24, 2019
    Elon Musk and Tesla announced Tesla's Q1 earnings in its quaterly report and it's surprisingly worse than everyone thought with very little reason as Tesla had an amazing quarter as far as production of its amazing cars. Let's talk about it as I take your questions and comments during the LIVE stream!


    Tesla CEO Elon Musk should not make wild forecasts, says Yale's Jeff Sonnenfeld
    CNBC Television
    Published on Apr 25, 2019
    The deadline for Tesla's Elon Musk's contempt of court dispute to be resolved is today, but there's a chance it could be extended yet again. Jeff Sonnenfeld from the Yale School of Management, joins "Squawk Box" to discuss the battle. CNBC's Phil LeBeau also joins the conversation.
     
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    http://www.autoextremist.com/

     
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    From the end of the article:
    "Cooler heads must prevail, which ultimately means that Elon Musk must be prevented from getting even remotely close to executing this plan.
    And that’s the High-Octane Truth for this week" which translates into something like let's stop the progress and keep using our hundred-year-old technology. I bet this guy believes that if you don't drive a manual, you're not a car enthusiast.

    Pff, "high octane truth"... what else can you expect from this guy to write about what tesla is doing. Honestly this article seems just like a meaningless rant, most likely funded by any one of the 'regular' car manufacturers...

    I'm not blindly defending tesla, I absolutely hate how messed up their QA is and that the experience for every car purchase is based largely on luck. Also, some of their design choices for the price they're asking are completely ridiculous. Having said that, I still want one and most likely will get one soon. The technology they are pushing is impressive no matter how you look at it.
     
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    I’ve personally met the author of that piece and aside from my own boss, he’s forgotten more about the car business than anyone will ever learn so I’m going to trust his judgment over those of armchair experts.


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    Interesting news about a large Tesla customer in China demanding their money back from Tesla. I hadn't heard of this Chinese company's Tesla problems.

    A Chinese ride-hailing company is so unhappy with its fleet of 278 Tesla cars that it bought billboards in Times Square to demand refunds
    Graham Rapier, Apr. 29, 2019, 11:09 AM
    https://www.businessinsider.com/tes...s-square-billboards-by-shenma-zhuanche-2019-4
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    A rendering of the billboards, as provided by Shenma. Shenma Zhuanche

    A Chinese ride-hailing company bought billboards in Times Square to complain about faulty Teslas
    By Echo HuangApril 29, 2019
    https://qz.com/1607342/a-chinese-ride-hailing-company-says-faulty-teslas-cost-it-1-million/

    And, no Tesla Semi this year as previously promised...

    Tesla delays electric semi truck production to "next year"
    Fred Lambert - Apr. 25th 2019 6:18 am ET
    https://electrek.co/2019/04/25/tesla-semi-delay-electric-truck-production-next-year/
    During its first quarter 2019 earnings call last night, Tesla confirmed that it is delaying the production of Tesla Semi, its electric semi truck program, to next year.

    When unveiling Tesla Semi in 2017, Tesla started guiding a start of production in 2019, but it has never updated the timeline until now.

    Jerome Guillen, Tesla’s President of Automotive and the head of the Tesla Semi program, said when asked about the production of the electric truck yesterday:

    “Next year we will start production. We are very happy, we are driving the trucks extensively with so far, I think, quite amazing success, yes.”

    It’s the first time that Tesla confirmed that the production has been delayed to next year.

    Furthermore, the company is still not confirming a production location for the electric truck.

    Guillen only reiterated that Tesla Semi powertrains will be made at Gigafactory 1 in Nevada:

    “The location is not yet set, but it’s pretty clear that we will make all the batteries and drivetrains in Reno (later correct to Sparks, Nevada).”

    The executive also said that they are currently testing the electric trucks with maximum loads and that they are making improvements to the design.

    The news that production is being pushed to next year comes after Tesla Semi production recently came back into focus following CEO Elon Musk saying that he is “looking forward” to it as Tesla was releasing a series of promotional videos of the Tesla Semi prototype carrying Tesla vehicles.

    Also, the company released a new Tesla Semi diecast using the “same 3D CAD data used to manufacture the actual Tesla Semi”.

    Musk previously said that Tesla aims to manufacture 100,000 electric trucks per year.

    Over the past two years, Tesla has been taking reservations for the electric truck and said that the production versions will have 300-mile and 500-mile range versions for $150,000 and $180,000 respectively.

    Electrek’s Take
    As I wrote earlier this month, we expected an update on that front as the timeline for deliveries is very important for Tesla Semi customers – arguably more so than for Tesla’s previous vehicles.

    They gathered a lot of reservations and it’s similar to Tesla’s previous vehicle programs, but those reservations are from commercial customers who are waiting for the vehicle in order to update their fleets, which are an essential part of their business.

    They can’t wait indefinitely to upgrade their fleet and therefore, they need Tesla to be clear about their manufacturing plans.

    Tesla did add more clarity by confirming that production has been pushed to next year, but it would add confidence if Tesla could confirm a production location, which is expected to be Gigafactory 1 in Nevada.

    Why the Tesla Semi heavy electric truck won’t happen (plus nuts) | Auto Expert John Cadogan
    AutoExpert TV
    Published on Apr 13, 2019
    Why the Tesla Semi heavy hauling electric truck just won’t happen.
     
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    Autonomous Driving "Orange" :)

    Tesla Hack with an Orange
    Tesla Problems, Errors & Failures
    Published on May 9, 2019
    in case you want to stay in Autopilot in your Tesla, maybe to do a nap or something else, you can use this hack.
    Tesla, Problems, Errors & Failures shows you a collection of videos with the most common problems, errors and failures with the cars produced by Tesla.
    Next to that we also show you stupid drivers who happen to drive in a Tesla.
     
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    Tesla’s Autopilot was engaged when Model 3 crashed into truck, report states
    It is at least the fourth fatal crash involving Autopilot
    By Andrew J. Hawkins@andyjayhawk May 16, 2019, 10:34am EDT
    https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/16/18627766/tesla-autopilot-fatal-crash-delray-florida-ntsb-model-3

    "Tesla’s advanced driver assist system, Autopilot, was active when a Model 3 driven by a 50-year-old Florida man crashed into the side of a tractor-trailer truck on March 1st, the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) states in a report released on Thursday. Investigators reviewed video and preliminary data from the vehicle and found that neither the driver nor Autopilot “executed evasive maneuvers” before striking the truck.

    NTSB issued preliminary report Thursday for its ongoing investigation of the fatal, March 1, 2019, highway crash near Delray Beach, Florida. The preliminary report is available at; https://t.co/KsUmeOFh2p
    — NTSB_Newsroom (@NTSB_Newsroom) May 16, 2019

    The driver, Jeremy Beren Banner, was killed in the crash. It is at least the fourth fatal crash of a Tesla vehicle involving Autopilot.

    This crash is eerily similar to another one involving a Tesla in 2016 near Gainesville, Florida. In that incident, Joshua Brown was killed when his Model S sedan collided with a semitrailer truck on a Florida highway in May 2016, making him the first known fatality in a semi-autonomous car.

    The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) determined that a “lack of safeguards” contributed to Brown’s death. Meanwhile, today’s report is just preliminary, and the NTSB declined to place blame on anyone.

    Investigators state that Banner engaged Autopilot about 10 seconds before the collision. “From less than 8 seconds before the crash to the time of impact, the vehicle did not detect the driver’s hands on the steering wheel,” the NTSB said. The vehicle was traveling at 68 mph when it crashed. The roof of the Model 3 was sheared off as it hit the truck’s trailer, passing underneath, and then coming to a stop 1,600 feet away.

    In a statement, Tesla confirmed that series of events. “We are deeply saddened by this accident and our thoughts are with everyone affected by this tragedy,” a Tesla spokesperson said. “Tesla drivers have logged more than one billion miles with Autopilot engaged, and our data shows that, when used properly by an attentive driver who is prepared to take control at all times, drivers supported by Autopilot are safer than those operating without assistance. For the past three quarters we have released quarterly safety data directly from our vehicles which demonstrates that.”

    In addition to the two fatal crashes in Florida, Tesla’s Autopilot has been involved in at least two other fatal collisions: the March 23rd, 2018 death ofWei “Walter” Huang in Mountain View, California; and the January 20th, 2016 death of Gao Yaning in Handan, China.

    There have been several non-fatal crashes involving Autopilot as well: onefrom January 22nd, 2018 involving Autopilot, and one from August 2017 involving a battery fire.

    Tesla CEO Elon Musk has been criticized for overstating the autonomous capabilities of his vehicles, while also beta testing semi-autonomous features on his customers — with occasional dire consequences. The company sells a version of Autopilot called “Full Self-Driving,” even though drivers are consistently warned to keep their hands on the steering wheel and eyes on the road when operating it. At an event for investors in April, Musk claimedthat Tesla would have “a million” self-driving Tesla vehicles operating as taxis by the end of 2020.

    In the past, Musk has blamed fatal crashes involving Autopilot on driver inexperience. “When there is a serious accident it is almost always, in fact maybe always, the case that it is an experienced user, and the issue is more one of complacency,” Musk said last year. “They just get too used to it. That tends to be more of an issue. It’s not a lack of understanding of what Autopilot can do. It’s [drivers] thinking they know more about Autopilot than they do.”"

    Autopilot Engaged Before Fatal Tesla Model 3 Crash
    E for Electric
    Published on May 16, 2019
    NTSB's preliminary report claims that the Tesla Model 3 involved in a recent fatal crash had its autopilot engaged 10 seconds before the crash. Let's talk about it as I take your questions and comments during the LIVE stream!
     
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    Sad and really a wake-up call not to blindly rely on these systems. The front facing long range radar has a hard time detecting stationary objects and most likely the image recognition is still not that reliable to actually have seen that truck.

    I've had a 2016 Mazda 6 with radar cruise and it would see the car in front 100% of the times when that was moving, no matter how slowly. When I tried to simulate stationary obstacles with a large box, it was really a hit or miss. It would sometimes see it and break, other times plow right through. It is how radar works, the obstacle must be moving to be seen.

    In this case, had it been a truck/wall/house moving even very slowly forward (same direction as the tesla), I'm sure it would've detected it.

    I'm also pretty sure this would have happened to any other brands which have driver aid systems and rely on radar for obstacle avoidance, but yeah, it sure doesn't look good for Tesla.

    I really really hope Tesla improves their autopilot before the regulators decide to nerf it (as they're doing it in EU now for that matter).
     
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    After the Toyota unintended acceleration and GM ignition key fiascoes, and despite the latter's SuperCruise being vastly superior to Tesla, real car companies are going to be much more judicious in rolling out autonomous driving technologies. What you see above is precisely the result of aiming too high, too soon.
     
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