Read and replace Sony Vaio VPCZ13M9E internal SSD RAID drives

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  1. Paloseco

    Paloseco Notebook Evangelist

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    My VPCZ13M9E has two internal ssd drives stacked together using a plastic separator that holds them in place. Each one of them has its own connection. The two drives connect to the same ribbon cable which has the Y shape, and the resulting ribbon connects to the motherboard. Each drive is a Toshiba 64GB SSD. By default both are configured as RAID 0 on the motherboard.

    I would like to know which type of connection are so I can replace them with bigger capacities. Also, would like to be able to read the drives once removed from the computer, for example via USB.

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    Top side of the Toshiba THNSNC064GMMJ:
    205B8253
    FW CJSA0201 +3.3V
    1036KBZ
    LBA 125,045,424
    RoHS_COMPATIBLE,_[[Pb]]>MCV
    TSD-THNSNC256GMMJ(B)
    E319571
    SERIAL ATA
    MADE IN PHILIPPINES
    TOSHIBA CORPORATION

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    Bottom side of the SSD:
    HALOGEN/LEAD-FREE
    9A23108000
    MDK 430V-0 N

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    SSD connector to the ribbon cable, drive side

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    SSD connector to the ribbon cable, ribbon cable side

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    This is the ribbon cable:
    Sony A1781464A 1-882-162-11 COMPL PWB FPC-217(SSD_TOS) (S)
     
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  2. Paloseco

    Paloseco Notebook Evangelist

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    O, after some investigation, it seems clear that both internal ssd drives use a Micro SATA (also called uSATA) connection type. Warning: it's not mSATA, that's a different connection.
    After knowing that, bought from amazon two adapters in order to be able to read any of those drives from the USB directly:

    Delock Converter SATA 6 Gb/s 22 pin > USB 3.0-A male + USB 2.0-A male (item 61883):

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    Delock Adapter SATA 22 pin > Micro SATA 16 pin (item 61675):

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    THIS IS ADDITIONAL HARDWARE THAT SHOULD WORK BUT NOT TESTED:

    Delock 1.8″ External Enclosure Micro SATA HDD / SSD > USB 3.0 (item 42487):

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    Micro SATA Female to SATA 22-Pin Male Adapter
    Product Code: UADAP009500
    https://usb.brando.com/micro-sata-female-to-sata-22-pin-male-adapter_p02848c0042d015.html

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    Delock 1.8″ Converter Micro SATA 16 Pin > mSATA full size Item No. 62520

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    Delock 1.8″ Converter Micro SATA 16 Pin > mSATA half size Item No. 62519

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    Paloseco Notebook Evangelist

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    Well, finally arrived my DeLock 61883 (Delock Converter SATA 6 Gb/s 22 pin > USB 3.0-A male + USB 2.0-A male), and unfortunately, it doesn't work. It uses the chip ASMT1051 and is made in China. Windows 10 detects it as ASMT 1051. It looks that that chip is a pile of crap, several issues have been reported:
    External drive not recognized
    External usb hard disk with switch doesn't work/mount properly

    It's not the first time I buy from DeLock, as I stated in other threads, I also own the "Delock Express Card > 1 x USB 3.0 item 62425", which makes the operating system freeze randomly when the express card is under heavy use.

    That said, I notice that DeLock is having severe quality issues, or they hardware is badly designed in the first place. I STRONGLY RECOMMEND YOU TO AVOID THE DELOCK BRAND, IT'S FAILING CONSTANTLY AND THEY ARE NOT TESTING ENOUGH THEIR PRODUCTS.

    Luckily, I had another SATA to USB 2.0 male, that worked perfectly, although it's USB 2.0. It just works. It's from a generic brand, exactly like the following picture. It has two leds, one red and another blue to indicate both power and activity:

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    Also, bough a generic micro sata to sata. Will try to find another sata to usb but being 3.0.
     
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    DeLock has a lot of stuff that is actually working well, so I doubt avoiding them altogether makes sense; also they seem to have stuff which they are the only manufacturer for, or one of very few ones.

    Sorry, also not sure about the reasoning for your project (the USB part of it). What are the benchmark speeds of these old SSDs? Does it make sense to still invest in them instead of just installing the new ones into the Z. To move your data you could simply back it up to the network or USB storage.

    I'm following your thread as I'm interested in replacing the original SSDs in my VGN-Z as well...
     
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    I also have other DeLock hardware. For example, the DeLock 62460 "VGA to HDMI Adapter with audio" works perfectly:

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    However, when it comes to pci/sata and alike connectivity, I don't think they thoroughly check they hardware.

    The benchmark for my Toshiba THNSNC064GMMJ micro sata SSDs are about 180 MBps write and 210 MBps read when connected to the internal SATA port of the Vaio (no RAID). When using the micro sata to sata + sata to USB 2.0 I get a sustained write speed of 18 MBps which is pretty low (on the generic brand adapter, the DeLock 61883 even doesn't work).

    About replacing the SSD drives, it's pretty much straightforward. It depends mainly if you want to preserve the RAID, then you have to replace both at the same time and being the exact same model. If you undo the RAID (like I did), you can remove one of the drives to transfer data from it to the new one, be it Toshiba, Samsung, whatever.
    Some people even replaced the two ssd microsata with a M.2 using adapter to microsata.
     
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    So I did some further research on how a replacement should look like... (following with sources)

    Pros for SSDs in RAID 0:

    - generally, increased speed vs single SSD
    Cons:
    - TRIM not supported, only Garbage Collection -> increased wear on SSDs ( http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/279412-32-trim-garbage-collection-beating-dead-horse )

    Pros for Single SSD:

    - Faster Boot/Wakeup ( http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/replacing-sony-vaio-z-ssd-raid.673704/ )
    - Support for TRIM in AHCI and RAID mode for drives not part of a RAID volume ( http://www.intel.com/content/www/us...ts/000005807.html?wapkw=trim+support+for+raid )
    - Generally more convenient and safe than RAID 0?

    The speed of the single SSD should be similar to RAID 0, because the current drives' speed will be maxed out but by my ICH9M-E SATA 2 controller anyway (~300 MB/sec)

    So taking all this into account, I will go for a single SSD with 500 GB or 1 TB.. to be seen if cased drive or just the board, and if my cable will fit...

    Have I missed something? What did you go for?

    Unfortunately I have Windows installed now on RAID 0 volume, so perhaps will end up with a clean install, once again.. :(
     
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    I undid the RAID 0 and installed macOS 10.10 Yosemite (hackintosh) on one of the micro sata drives. The other is empty. Then I replaced the dvd writer with a SATA Sandisk ssd and installed there Window 10 clean install.
     
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    I totally agree with this. I had bought my VAIO VPCZ1 with the HDD instead of SSD because I needed the extra space at that time, and I simply swapped it out later with a 2.5" SATA SSD. The performance boost is truly amazing.
     
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