Razer Blade 15.6" (GTX 1060/1070, 2018 edition) Owner's Lounge

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  1. ThePerfectStorm

    ThePerfectStorm Notebook Deity

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    Is this last laptop compatible with M.2 SATA SSDs? That would be a great cost-effective alternative to having to get a 970 EVO.

    @Donald@HIDevolution any info about M.2 SATA compatibility?


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  2. Halaja

    Halaja Notebook Guru

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    ELUTENG M.2 SATA SSD Housing to USB C 2230 2242 2260 2280 USB3 Adapter Support UASP 6Gbps Enclosure for Samsung M.2 NGFF SSD B+M Key USB-to-SATA Adapter https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BDF8J93?ref=yo_pop_ma_swf
    This worked for me. Its a simple enclosure for an M.2 drive (not an NVME, though) for doing a direct cloning from the previous 256gb drive to an 860 Evo (my choice). There are different models if you were using a 970, as that's an NVME drive and the pins are different c/w the older M.2
     
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    Halaja Notebook Guru

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    Yes, it IS compatible. Ive personally used a Samsung 860 EVO 2TB with no issues.
     
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    Great! @Donald@HIDevolution could you please update your configuration page with m.2 SATA options?


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    So what would I get if it’s the nvme version here https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-970-...ng+970+evo&dpPl=1&dpID=41uPNDzpMnL&ref=plSrch
     
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    That's a great price for an NVME 500GB drive, and great speeds too, but it will still run hotter than a M.2 SATA and perhaps throttle as well, you'd need to do some large transfers between 2 of those drives to see how a 300GB+ (100 sec) transfer would go - whether it would get hot and throttle at some point.

    The M.2 SATA drives are still tracking just about 1/2 the cost for the same size, and for most operations even the 560MB/sec Read and 530MB/sec Writes will be fast enough - transfers so short for most activities that you wouldn't notice the difference.

    Crucial MX500 500GB 3D NAND SATA M.2 Type 2280SS Internal SSD - CT500MX500SSD4 - $109.95
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077SQ8J1V

    Or get a 1TB size for a little more:

    WD Blue 3D NAND 1TB PC SSD - SATA III 6 Gb/s M.2 2280 Solid State Drive - WDS100T2B0B - $229.99
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B073SB2MXT

    The 2TB M.2 SATA is $449.99, about 1/2 the $900 NVME SSD. :)
     
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    childprotectorofthenight Notebook Consultant

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    Thanks for all the suggestions! I’m definitely going with the crucial instead for my new blade 15! Is the 256 that comes with it an m.2 as well? Why do I see everyone going for the 970 when the crucial runs cooler and fast enough as well!? How would I go about copying the 256ssd over when I get the crucial?
    Thanks hmscott!
     
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    It's not so much that NVME isn't faster and hotter, it's that it's still so darned expensive when you can either get 2x the storage for the same price, or save around 50% or more if you can find a good sale weekend discount to drop the price even further. :)

    As mentioned in posts earlier today, you can use Macrium Reflect Free to do an image backup of all the partitions on the original SSD and then you and Macrium Reflect Free can resize the partitions on the new drive.

    If there aren't 2 M.2 slots, you'll need an external case that will host an M.2 SATA drive - btw I still haven't seen an external USB case that hosts an M.2 NVME drive, unless someone else has seen one.

    Macrium Reflect Free can also create a bootable USB flash drive that you can use to boot up to restore to a blank M.2 SSD if there is only M.2 slot and you can host the Macrium Reflect Free backup image on a regular USB drive or flash drive and restore to the new drive that way.

    Lots of options.

    Macrium Reflect Free
    https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree

    You can also buy their full product to say thanks and help support them. :)
     
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    Awesome gotcha!! Ok so I can use an external hard drive with macrium reflect! Then using that program I can copy the original 256 ssd on the external HD. Then install my new crucial 500gb and boot with the external hard drive for the clone transfer. Meaning I only use the original 256ssd for the initial cloning :) obviously then following the guide you sent and correcting the partition after installing the new 500gb
     
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    Yeah, as long as you have an image of the original drive, copy into at least 2 places ( :) ) to be safe, then you can experiment with how to restore. I use a large flash drive that holds the Macrium boot and has enough room to host the small initial original OS image, so I don't need a 2nd external drive to restore, I can just use the single flash drive, but you could use a small 2GB-4GB boot flash with a larger USB HDD external drive instead, I've done that too.

    As far as the vendor tool available from Razer to backup the recovery volume and create a bootable flash restore, I haven't used it, but here are a couple of considerations from using the MSI BurnRecovery tool.

    When using the MSI BurnRecovery creator tool to make a bootable restore of the original recovery image - not the OS partitions just the image stored on the recovery volume, you need to be careful when restoring back to the laptop...specifically:

    1) Booting on that BurnRecovery flash drive has everything contained on it, so it needs to be 32GB as last I used it it took up 19GB of space, which is too large for a 16GB flash drive.

    2) You want it to be USB 3.0 and fast, as the creation and restore time is directly related to how fast the USB drive can write/read. This is the same for Macrium Reflect too.

    3) The MSI BurnRecovery restore flash drive doesn't leave room to put anything else, so don't bother using a larger than 32GB drive, the spare space isn't available. I did futz around with trying to partition it to use the extra space, but it was a waste of time. Macrium Reflect isn't like that and you can use the file system how you like.

    4) And, this is the most important item. When restoring from MSI BurnRecovery you must only have the single boot SSD installed, take out any other SSD's that have data and the same goes for the HDD as well as all external USB drives. The MSI restore tool reformats and erases the boot drive and HDD, and may erase other internal drives it finds - as well as external USB drives other that the restore flash drive before it tries to restore the recovery image.

    This can be a serious disaster if you try to restore to the original SSD / HDD, as if the restore fails - some flash drives will say they wrote everything ok but fail the recovery read, which means your original drives are now blank reformatted and you have lost the ability to try to recreate the recovery flash drive with another flash drive make / model. Very depressing situation should it happen, you are SOL.

    So only restore to a new SSD, have your original SSD / HDD pulled out and set on the shelf for safe keeping.

    Which is how I recommend keeping the original 256GB drive. Don't repurpose it, don't sell it, and don't erase it, use it as a backup should you misplace your Macrium / Vendor recovery image.

    I also recommend making at least 2 Flash recovery copies and store them in different places. I tape one to the inside of the box and have the other on my desk should the need arise to do a restore. That way I have a spare flash drive, the original SSD, and an image on at least 2 storage devices.

    It's really depressing to have to RMA your laptop to get it reimaged should some catastrophe happen. Like 1 of the 2 RAID0 SSD's dies 2 weeks into ownership - which happened to me - fortunately I already had this system of backup's in place. I made the MSI BurnRecovery image at the retail store as I was checking out the laptop before walking out the door - I had already paid for it, but I could turn around and return it that same visit if needs be.

    Anyway, I hope that all helps. I'm sure you'll have good luck long term with your laptop OS and data, if you follow good backup procedures from the start, and keep it up on a weekly / monthly basis. :)
     
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