Razer Blade 15.6" (GTX 1060/1070, 2018 edition) Owner's Lounge

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  1. RobotDoctor

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    Good grief, it looks like I will need to raise my "IT skills" up a plateau or two. Thanks for the suggestion. I am refraining on doing anything to alter my system with bios modification or adding additional software that affects performance. So far my RB15 base model has been very stable and as my primary business machine I don't want to change anything that would render the machine to be less reliable. The only time this becomes an issue is when I am flying on an airplane and my battery is drained. I think I plugged in my brick on a plane on a previous flight and it did not exceed the current capacity of the seat I was in. I'll verify this tomorrow on my flight home. If the RB15 base model brick can be used on a plane then I really don't have a huge issue because there is pretty much always a plug in I can connect to in my line of work.
     
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    duplicate post by mistake - please remove post
     
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    duplicate post by mistake - please remove post
     
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    That is perfectly valid, you could maybe update the BIOS then, since, as I wrote, Razer enabled deeper C-states in v1.06 onward.
    Also valid and I have the same philosophy, but specifically ThrottleStop is so lightweight, you'll be hard pressed to notice any impact. The whole folder comes in at about 600KB and Task Manager reports a maximum of 0.1% CPU usage and 3MB of memory usage. It is really lightweight. You can also stop the monitoring in the app to reduce the CPU usage to a minimum.
    Absolutely. That's also why I wrote that if you'd want to do this, that you should absolutely stay conservative with your undervolt. Just about any CPU in the RB15 should be able to withstand a -90mV offset on the CPU cores and cache and a -60mV offset on the integrated graphics without any impact on stability whatsoever. Razer and other manufacturers even pre-undervolt recent machines for reduced thermals. For my use-case (game development), where the CPU is often occupied with path tracing for lightmaps, which is a pretty hefty load at times, I can get away with a -147.5mV offset on the CPU cores on my specific chip. But finding that took a bit of trial and error (and a bit of data loss on insignificant work) throughout about a month of regular usage.

    But in the end it all depends on what you want from the machine and whether you're happy with its performance (in every sense of the word).
     
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    I have never attempted to do much of these things. Yes, I've installed software to check/enhance performance. Some worked out ok and some had no affect that I could tell or didn't give me the information/results I was looking for. I have never modified any bios setting or undervolted/overvolted/anything to do with CPU voltage offset so this really makes be a bit tentative. I am not so sure I have the knowledge and guts some of you guys have. I do enjoy reading about this, though! :)
     
  6. Joikansai

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    Hi @No0B can you unlock overclocking menu tab on bios by flashing it with your new setting? It’s 2018 Model right? Tried several times it still doesn’t pup up, I changed all that related to user setting FYI. I know Blade 15 2019 can be easily unlocked, but not on 2018 model so far I know. Other tab like cpu VR core for imon values etc I could unlock, the target unlocking this tab is to be able to undervolting cpu directly from bios so I don’t have to use throttlestop etc, beside that I could disable ASPM on bios that maybe can increase gpu performance like on Blade 14.
    Edit: this is already tried by user here who made imon tweak (get rid power limit on 8750H on Blade 15) and Insider user who made bumping Blade 14 performance YouTube Guide, on their 2019 Blade 15 it’s unlockable but they couldn’t do it on 2018 model, I sent the the bios to them for checking, they thought it would work but it’s not.
    Thanks
     
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    Yes. It's what I have.
    Can you point me towards something? I did a bit of searching and haven't found anything of those sorts. The BIOS between the 2018 and the 2019 model cannot be too dissimilar, so I'd say that the 2019's BIOS should be just as restrictive.
    Unfortunately, I'm not skilled with hex editing, so I don't want to risk poking around to find what unlocks the overclocking menu and its capabilities without a hardware flasher, because bricking the BIOS will be a given in such a process. You can already set options in the overclocking menu via AMIBCP, but they simply don't have any effect. So Razer have not only hidden the menu (actually they have taken it out of the array of possible menus as well), but they disabled effects of the menu's options as well. Not that the overclocking menu would add a lot of value anyway, since the platform is locked from Intel's side. But yeah, undervolting in the BIOS would've been nice. But alas, I'm not able to do that.

    @ Everyone: If anybody has got a hardware flasher for the RB15's BIOS chip, the skilled Lost_N_BIOS over at the Win-Raid forums could do it, given that you can test his edits on your notebook and unbrick using your hardware flasher if something isn't right.
     
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    We did only pm concerning this so can’t link it, but it’s pretty easy on 2019 like Blade 14 2017 by editing proper values to user setting. Here some screenshot, from Razer Insider and NBR Forum PM. Yes probably they deleted it on bios that i flashed, I’ll try updating to new official bios hopefully there’s some changes.
     

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    So they actually un-broke it in the BIOS for the 2019 model. Amazing.

    As I wrote, analyzing the BIOS for the 2018 model (I looked at every released version up to v1.07) revealed that they not only hid the overclocking menu, but outright removed it from the arrays of selectable menus in the main category selector, as well as in the Advanced category. That's why in AMIBCP you don't see it in the Advanced category and it's also why the overclocking menu is on the top level of the treelist when you open a dump in AMIBCP.

    Here's the possible main categories as extracted by IFRExtractor:
    0x290A6 Form: Setup, FormId: 0x2710 {01 86 10 27 07 00}
    0x290AC Ref: Main, VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0xFFFF, VarStore: 0x0, QuestionId: 0x1, FormId: 0x2711 {0F 0F 09 00 02 00 01 00 00 00 FF FF 00 11 27}
    0x290BB Ref: Advanced, VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0xFFFF, VarStore: 0x0, QuestionId: 0x2, FormId: 0x2712 {0F 0F 1A 00 02 00 02 00 00 00 FF FF 00 12 27}
    0x290CA Ref: Chipset, VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0xFFFF, VarStore: 0x0, QuestionId: 0x3, FormId: 0x2713 {0F 0F 1B 00 02 00 03 00 00 00 FF FF 00 13 27}
    0x290D9 Ref: Security, VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0xFFFF, VarStore: 0x0, QuestionId: 0x4, FormId: 0x2714 {0F 0F 36 00 02 00 04 00 00 00 FF FF 00 14 27}
    0x290E8 Ref: Boot, VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0xFFFF, VarStore: 0x0, QuestionId: 0x5, FormId: 0x2715 {0F 0F 1C 00 02 00 05 00 00 00 FF FF 00 15 27}
    0x290F7 Ref: Save & Exit, VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0xFFFF, VarStore: 0x0, QuestionId: 0x6, FormId: 0x2716 {0F 0F 49 00 02 00 06 00 00 00 FF FF 00 16 27}
    0x29106 End Form {29 02}

    And the Advanced category menu:
    0x29559 Form: Advanced, FormId: 0x2712 {01 86 12 27 1A 00}
    0x2955F Suppress If {0A 82}
    0x29561 QuestionId: 0x3EC equals value 0x0 {12 06 EC 03 00 00}
    0x29567 Ref: RC ACPI Settings, VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0xFFFF, VarStore: 0x0, QuestionId: 0xA, FormId: 0x2717 {0F 0F BF 00 C0 00 0A 00 00 00 FF FF 00 17 27}
    0x29576 End If {29 02}
    0x29578 Suppress If {0A 82}
    0x2957A QuestionId: 0x3EC equals value 0x0 {12 06 EC 03 00 00}
    0x29580 Ref: Connectivity Configuration, VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0xFFFF, VarStore: 0x0, QuestionId: 0xB, FormId: 0x2719 {0F 0F 23 01 24 01 0B 00 00 00 FF FF 00 19 27}
    0x2958F End If {29 02}
    0x29591 Ref: CPU Configuration, VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0xFFFF, VarStore: 0x0, QuestionId: 0xC, FormId: 0x2729 {0F 0F CB 01 CC 01 0C 00 00 00 FF FF 00 29 27}
    0x295A0 Ref: Power & Performance, VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0xFFFF, VarStore: 0x0, QuestionId: 0xD, FormId: 0x272C {0F 0F 1F 02 20 02 0D 00 00 00 FF FF 00 2C 27}
    0x295AF Suppress If {0A 82}
    0x295B1 QuestionId: 0x3EC equals value 0x0 {12 06 EC 03 00 00}
    0x295B7 Ref: PCH-FW Configuration, VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0xFFFF, VarStore: 0x0, QuestionId: 0xE, FormId: 0x276C {0F 0F FD 10 FE 10 0E 00 00 00 FF FF 00 6C 27}
    0x295C6 End If {29 02}
    0x295C8 Suppress If {0A 82}
    0x295CA QuestionId: 0x3EC equals value 0x0 {12 06 EC 03 00 00}
    0x295D0 Ref: Thermal Configuration, VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0xFFFF, VarStore: 0x0, QuestionId: 0xF, FormId: 0x2771 {0F 0F A1 11 A2 11 0F 00 00 00 FF FF 00 71 27}
    0x295DF End If {29 02}
    0x295E1 Suppress If {0A 82}
    0x295E3 QuestionId: 0xDD8 equals value 0x1 {12 86 D8 0D 01 00}
    0x295E9 Not {17 02}
    0x295EB QuestionId: 0xDD8 equals value 0x5 {12 06 D8 0D 05 00}
    0x295F1 Not {17 02}
    0x295F3 And {15 02}
    0x295F5 End {29 02}
    0x295F7 Suppress If {0A 82}
    0x295F9 QuestionId: 0x3EC equals value 0x0 {12 06 EC 03 00 00}
    0x295FF Ref: Platform Settings, VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0xFFFF, VarStore: 0x0, QuestionId: 0x10, FormId: 0x2776 {0F 0F CB 12 CC 12 10 00 00 00 FF FF 00 76 27}
    0x2960E End If {29 02}
    0x29610 End If {29 02}
    0x29612 Suppress If {0A 82}
    0x29614 QuestionId: 0x3EC equals value 0x0 {12 06 EC 03 00 00}
    0x2961A Ref: ACPI D3Cold settings, VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0xFFFF, VarStore: 0x0, QuestionId: 0x11, FormId: 0x2777 {0F 0F 1C 13 1D 13 11 00 00 00 FF FF 00 77 27}
    0x29629 End If {29 02}
    0x2962B Suppress If {0A 82}
    0x2962D QuestionId: 0xE2C equals value 0x0 {12 86 2C 0E 00 00}
    0x29633 Not {17 02}
    0x29635 QuestionId: 0xE2C equals value 0x3 {12 06 2C 0E 03 00}
    0x2963B Not {17 02}
    0x2963D And {15 02}
    0x2963F End {29 02}
    0x29641 Gray Out If {19 82}
    0x29643 QuestionId: 0xE55 equals value 0x1 {12 06 55 0E 01 00}
    0x29649 Suppress If {0A 82}
    0x2964B QuestionId: 0x3EC equals value 0x0 {12 06 EC 03 00 00}
    0x29651 Ref: AMT Configuration, VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0xFFFF, VarStore: 0x0, QuestionId: 0x12, FormId: 0x2798 {0F 0F AC 14 AD 14 12 00 00 00 FF FF 00 98 27}
    0x29660 End If {29 02}
    0x29662 End If {29 02}
    0x29664 End If {29 02}
    0x29666 Suppress If {0A 82}
    0x29668 QuestionId: 0x3EC equals value 0x0 {12 06 EC 03 00 00}
    0x2966E Ref: Intel ICC, VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0xFFFF, VarStore: 0x0, QuestionId: 0x13, FormId: 0x27A2 {0F 0F E6 14 E6 14 13 00 00 00 FF FF 00 A2 27}
    0x2967D End If {29 02}
    0x2967F Ref: Thunderbolt(TM) Configuration, VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0xFFFF, VarStore: 0x0, QuestionId: 0x14, FormId: 0x27AC {0F 0F 02 15 03 15 14 00 00 00 FF FF 00 AC 27}
    0x2968E Suppress If {0A 82}
    0x29690 QuestionId: 0x3EC equals value 0x0 {12 06 EC 03 00 00}
    0x29696 Ref: Debug Settings, VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0xFFFF, VarStore: 0x0, QuestionId: 0x15, FormId: 0x27B2 {0F 0F 57 15 58 15 15 00 00 00 FF FF 00 B2 27}
    0x296A5 End If {29 02}
    0x296A7 Suppress If {0A 82}
    0x296A9 QuestionId: 0xE54 equals value 0x1 {12 06 54 0E 01 00}
    0x296AF Suppress If {0A 82}
    0x296B1 QuestionId: 0xE53 equals value 0x1 {12 86 53 0E 01 00}
    0x296B7 QuestionId: 0xE52 equals value 0x1 {12 06 52 0E 01 00}
    0x296BD Or {16 02}
    0x296BF End {29 02}
    0x296C1 Ref: Trusted Computing, VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0xFFFF, VarStore: 0x0, QuestionId: 0x16, FormId: 0x27B6 {0F 0F 93 17 94 17 16 00 00 00 FF FF 00 B6 27}
    0x296D0 End If {29 02}
    0x296D2 Suppress If {0A 82}
    0x296D4 QuestionId: 0xE53 equals value 0x0 {12 86 53 0E 00 00}
    0x296DA QuestionId: 0xE52 equals value 0x1 {12 06 52 0E 01 00}
    0x296E0 Or {16 02}
    0x296E2 End {29 02}
    0x296E4 Ref: Trusted Computing, VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0xFFFF, VarStore: 0x0, QuestionId: 0x17, FormId: 0x27B7 {0F 0F 93 17 94 17 17 00 00 00 FF FF 00 B7 27}
    0x296F3 End If {29 02}
    0x296F5 Suppress If {0A 82}
    0x296F7 QuestionId: 0xE52 equals value 0x0 {12 06 52 0E 00 00}
    0x296FD Ref: Trusted Computing, VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0xFFFF, VarStore: 0x0, QuestionId: 0x18, FormId: 0x27B5 {0F 0F 93 17 94 17 18 00 00 00 FF FF 00 B5 27}
    0x2970C End If {29 02}
    0x2970E End If {29 02}
    0x29710 Suppress If {0A 82}
    0x29712 QuestionId: 0x3EC equals value 0x0 {12 06 EC 03 00 00}
    0x29718 Ref: ACPI Settings, VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0xFFFF, VarStore: 0x0, QuestionId: 0x19, FormId: 0x27B8 {0F 0F BA 15 C0 00 19 00 00 00 FF FF 00 B8 27}
    0x29727 End If {29 02}
    0x29729 Suppress If {0A 82}
    0x2972B QuestionId: 0x3EC equals value 0x0 {12 06 EC 03 00 00}
    0x29731 Ref: SMART Settings, VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0xFFFF, VarStore: 0x0, QuestionId: 0x1A, FormId: 0x27D4 {0F 0F D5 16 D6 16 1A 00 00 00 FF FF 00 D4 27}
    0x29740 End If {29 02}
    0x29742 Suppress If {0A 82}
    0x29744 QuestionId: 0x3EC equals value 0x0 {12 06 EC 03 00 00}
    0x2974A Ref: Serial Port Console Redirection, VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0xFFFF, VarStore: 0x0, QuestionId: 0x1B, FormId: 0x27D6 {0F 0F F2 15 F2 15 1B 00 00 00 FF FF 00 D6 27}
    0x29759 End If {29 02}
    0x2975B Suppress If {0A 82}
    0x2975D QuestionId: 0x3EC equals value 0x0 {12 06 EC 03 00 00}
    0x29763 Ref: Intel TXT Information, VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0xFFFF, VarStore: 0x0, QuestionId: 0x1C, FormId: 0x27EA {0F 0F 99 00 9A 00 1C 00 00 00 FF FF 00 EA 27}
    0x29772 End If {29 02}
    0x29774 Suppress If {0A 82}
    0x29776 QuestionId: 0x3EC equals value 0x0 {12 06 EC 03 00 00}
    0x2977C Ref: Acoustic Management Configuration, VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0xFFFF, VarStore: 0x0, QuestionId: 0x1D, FormId: 0x1 {0F 21 AB 15 AC 15 1D 00 00 00 FF FF 00 01 00 00 00 AC A1 8A C4 70 F8 8D 41 A6 EF C1 DD 89 C1 CE 19}
    0x2979D End If {29 02}
    0x2979F Suppress If {0A 82}
    0x297A1 QuestionId: 0x3EC equals value 0x0 {12 06 EC 03 00 00}
    0x297A7 Ref: Switchable Graphics, VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0xFFFF, VarStore: 0x0, QuestionId: 0x1E, FormId: 0x27EB {0F 0F AD 15 AE 15 1E 00 00 00 FF FF 00 EB 27}
    0x297B6 End If {29 02}
    0x297B8 Suppress If {0A 82}
    0x297BA QuestionId: 0xE51 equals value 0x0 {12 06 51 0E 00 00}
    0x297C0 Suppress If {0A 82}
    0x297C2 QuestionId: 0x3EC equals value 0x0 {12 06 EC 03 00 00}
    0x297C8 Ref: AMI Graphic Output Protocol Policy, VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0xFFFF, VarStore: 0x0, QuestionId: 0x1F, FormId: 0x27EE {0F 0F C4 15 C5 15 1F 00 00 00 FF FF 00 EE 27}
    0x297D7 End If {29 02}
    0x297D9 End If {29 02}
    0x297DB Suppress If {0A 82}
    0x297DD QuestionId: 0x3EC equals value 0x0 {12 06 EC 03 00 00}
    0x297E3 Ref: SIO Configuration, VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0xFFFF, VarStore: 0x0, QuestionId: 0x20, FormId: 0x1 {0F 21 EF 15 EF 15 20 00 00 00 FF FF 00 01 00 00 00 55 C8 1B 94 7E BF CB 4F 88 2F 7A EA D1 5C 9D 47}
    0x29804 End If {29 02}
    0x29806 Suppress If {0A 82}
    0x29808 QuestionId: 0x3EC equals value 0x0 {12 06 EC 03 00 00}
    0x2980E Ref: PCI Subsystem Settings, VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0xFFFF, VarStore: 0x0, QuestionId: 0x21, FormId: 0x1 {0F 21 F0 15 F0 15 21 00 00 00 FF FF 00 01 00 00 00 04 F3 A9 AC E2 21 52 48 98 75 7F F4 88 1D 67 A5}
    0x2982F End If {29 02}
    0x29831 Ref: USB Configuration, VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0xFFFF, VarStore: 0x0, QuestionId: 0x22, FormId: 0x27FD {0F 0F 46 16 47 16 22 00 00 00 FF FF 00 FD 27}
    0x29840 Ref: Network Stack Configuration, VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0xFFFF, VarStore: 0x0, QuestionId: 0x23, FormId: 0x2800 {0F 0F 98 16 99 16 23 00 00 00 FF FF 00 00 28}
    0x2984F Ref: NVMe Configuration, VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0xFFFF, VarStore: 0x0, QuestionId: 0x24, FormId: 0x1 {0F 21 FD 16 FE 16 24 00 00 00 FF FF 00 01 00 00 00 2E CF 39 5E 12 67 AB 45 84 C4 35 D3 C6 A3 68 6D}
    0x29870 Suppress If {0A 82}
    0x29872 QuestionId: 0x3EC equals value 0x0 {12 06 EC 03 00 00}
    0x29878 Ref: SDIO Configuration, VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0xFFFF, VarStore: 0x0, QuestionId: 0x25, FormId: 0x281E {0F 0F FF 16 00 17 25 00 00 00 FF FF 00 1E 28}
    0x29887 End If {29 02}
    0x29889 Subtitle: Statement.Prompt: , Flags: 0x0 {02 87 02 00 00 00 00}
    0x29890 End {29 02}
    0x29892 Suppress If {0A 82}
    0x29894 QuestionId: 0xE50 equals value in list (0xFFFF) {14 08 50 0E 01 00 FF FF}
    0x2989C Ref: , VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0xFFFF, VarStore: 0x0, QuestionId: 0x26, FormId: 0x2712 {0F 0F 02 00 02 00 26 00 00 00 FF FF 00 12 27}
    0x298AB End If {29 02}
    0x298AD Subtitle: Statement.Prompt: , Flags: 0x0 {02 87 02 00 00 00 00}
    0x298B4 End {29 02}
    0x298B6 Suppress If {0A 82}
    0x298B8 QuestionId: 0xE4F equals value in list (0xFFFF) {14 08 4F 0E 01 00 FF FF}
    0x298C0 Ref: Driver Health, VarStoreInfo (VarOffset/VarName): 0xFFFF, VarStore: 0x0, QuestionId: 0x27, FormId: 0x283F {0F 0F 63 00 64 00 27 00 00 00 FF FF 00 3F 28}
    0x298CF End If {29 02}
    0x298D1 End Form {29 02}

    So these are the possible options. Some BIOS modding guides show top-level categories and menus simply being hidden, but still having a toggle, or debug/development versions of these menus as duplicates which you can switch on by simply editing one bit. But here it's not as simple. The tricky part is that you'd need to add a bit of data to, for example the main category array, to even have a toggle with which to enable the overclocking menu. But as soon as you do that, all pointers in the code following that will be broken. This indicates that AMI gives platform developers the possibility to disable certain functionality at the time of compiling the rom, which, in the case of the RB15 BIOS doesn't remove the overclocking menu, but simply moves it to the top level and removes all references to it.

    EDIT: Sorry, can't format it correctly. The forum automatically hides consecutive tabs and spaces.
     
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    Thanks for checking it, other options that i don’t really need now on my usage like cpu VR core and its imon values for solving power limit, I could unlock it but that damn overclocking menu that I wanted I couldn’t. Give me a shoot if you find how to unlock it, I’m not rushing need it but it’s nice to have cpu undervolted directly per bios like current mid 2019 blade 15 and Pro, there’re also other sweet setting there like ASMP and C-State, on Blade 14 with this tweak i never touch throttlestop, xtu maybe sometimes for checking temperature and package tdp only.
     
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