Ray tracing another BS

Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Danishblunt, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. Danishblunt

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    So yeah it's as I predicted a long time ago, it's an absolute performance hog same as Physx and Hairworks. Even when RTX cards are fixed and stop dying on you, there is no real compelling reason to purchase one of those cards.
     
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    thegh0sts Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    yet! i think this is due to how they marketed it...again. it definitely has potential it just needs more refinement.
     
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    How do you think it has potential? It takes half of the silicon die for the support logic for RTX and DLSS, stealing potential overall performance for nothing useful.

    RTX in a truly useful form could have been packaged as a development tool for game makers, professional visualization, "movie making", and priced accordingly for professional use - affordable to the user as it helps improve production, and Nvidia could have profited from that valuable use.

    Instead RTX is a hopelessly cut down version even in the highest end model, and RTX game software mods are tacked on last minute via gaming companies (FFXV) requiring sacrifices of developer time and effort better spent on making the game better.

    Instead of focusing on game development developers are distracted trying RTX for zero gaming advantage or improvement - there is little to no interest from game company marketing as it's more of a cost to them than a benefit in sales - besides the BFV sweetheart deal with Nvidia for bundling with RTX GPU's over the holiday sales season.

    The performance budget for RTX features is so low that only a fraction of the potential use is applied, and even then it's cut back to gain back FPS for actual gaming performance.

    Nvidia RTX as shipped is an embarrassment, a total disaster, and will continue to be a drag on RTX GPU sales - and resale value.

    Nvidia RTX is a Holiday Turkey, and not the good kind. :D
     
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    Which makes me hope all the more that the 2060 will be a GTX card with none of that RTX crap. Just allot that die space for more cores, Nvidia!
     
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    did you even watch that video by jays2cents. he says hes getting over 100 fps with rtx on and that it's worth it. contrary to your opinion.....JEESH forum needs to crackdown
     
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    Did you actually watch that entire video? He did nothing but gush about it in the back half of the video. Seemed very level-headed and realistic when discussing it. This is going to be a godsend for single-player RPG and even action games where you don't need 144FPS and you can crank up some settings and enjoy the environmental niceties. I'm stoked for RTX after watching this video.

    The good part? You can turn it off for those games that you just want raw FPS, which the 2080Ti is the best single card right now for that.
     
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    So you are willing to ignore the uselessness of RTX as proven by actual use in the first part of the video, but have sparkles in your eyes from the unproven fantasies spun in the 2nd part of the video?

    Do you really want to wait for future disappointment in RTX?, why not be satisfied with the disappointment of RTX today? RTX is already a failure, why wait for RTX to continue to fail over and over before believing it has failed?

    You are ready to come back for another serving of magic beans because it's "gonna be great" for games that are unproven in their use for RTX? You don't think the same damn thing will happen with any game?

    RTX is dropping FPS 50%-75% *while standing still* *with nothing moving*, just like RPG's.

    The best decrease in RTX FPS loss was when Jay looked up into the inactive open sky!

    So are you saying you want to play games that do nothing but look up into the open sky? So you want to continually drop image quality settings and now actual gaming activity until RTX FPS is usable? Wake up!

    Nvidia pre-release RTX BS had ZERO goodwill and credibility going into the RTX GPU release, and now Nvidia has a NEGATIVE goodwill credibility rating given RTX has proven to be useless BS.

    Do you really want to continue to give Nvidia the benefit of the doubt, your $1300, and wish for that RTX golden egg to finally hatch?

    What's that old saying...?

    Wish for RTX success into one hand, and let Nvidia crap RTX BS into the other, and see which hand fills up first. :D
     
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  9. Danishblunt

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    I did, that's the problem.
    The implementation of the ray tracing in battlefield 5 is extremely limited (multiplayer), because of the major performance problems it causes, that being said, imagine the implementation of ray tracing in tomb raider, where your FPS are already around 60s to begin with. Then you have 20-30FPS in the game. Imagine ray tracing in upcoming cyberpunk, u'd have around 10FPS on 1080p maxed out.

    If you tell a guy who most likely has a 4k monitor because he is a graphiclover, that he has to turn the resolution down to 1080p and get lower FPS than he gets on 4k just to see some reflections, then he will tell you to go away and never to speak to him again.

    Ray tracing is nothing but the same garbage nGreedia has done with physx and hairworks. It's placebo at best which drains a lot of performance.

    The fact that you apparently didn't see jays2cents saying that in singleplayer battlefield 5 (which would represent your RPG singleplayer experience) the game was extremely laggy and showed the garbage FPS, just tells me that you are the person who should watch the entire video.
     
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    Ray tracin gitself is great. but the implementation needs to be way quicker. The current state of the level of ray tracing isnt much better than emulating it with screen space reflections, multiple camera positions etc. Hitman 2 shows this nicely in the first mission where objects outside of the screen space are still being reflected. Still a very heavy game to run though.
     
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