Questions about the Thermal Performance of the GE63 Raider (15.6", 8750H, 1070)

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  1. Kevin

    Kevin Egregious

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    Might as well not rush things at this point, and hold out for news on the mobile RTX cards.
     
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  2. ThePerfectStorm

    ThePerfectStorm Notebook Deity

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    Very good advice guys, thank you both :)


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  3. AU4U

    AU4U Notebook Evangelist

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    Keep away from 'Thin' gaming notebooks, the GP/GS63 in particular.
    They have an overheating problem that effects the heatpipes in such a way they warp causing the CPU/GPU contact surface to lift, resulting in aggressive overheating, fan noise and failure.
    They are also prone to board warpage, causing stress in the traces and solder joints, and intermittent failures that will impossible to troubleshoot when the board is cool.
    Read this @ MSI Forum: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=307136.0
    THINK THICK, 10 Pipes! ..... BIG Fans ..... GT75!
    Think of this as Geek porn.....
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    Linus from TechTips ( https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXuqSBlHAE6Xw-yeJA0Tunw ) recently did a really good review of the i9 in the 2018 MB Pro.
    At 9:30 he address's this issue of over heating and throttling in thin notebooks, its worthwhile watching the whole review as an industry generalization regarding 'Thin' notebooks.



    The GP/GS63 is a service centers dream, they get to bill MSI numerous times for the same notebook.
    I guarantee that they will have it more than you in the 1st 2 years of ownership.
    Page after page of issues posted @ the MSI forum.
     
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  4. Falkentyne

    Falkentyne Notebook Prophet

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    That MSI heatsink is horrible.
    They used the same 3 heatpipes as the 4 core version and simply extended 1 heatpipe to a new HALF SIZED RADIATOR, and cut off half the GPU VRM radiator for it to work, and THEN the stacked the GPU radiator on top of the CPU radiator, which requires to repaste the CPU, you MUST remove the ENTIRE GPU heatsink and VRM sink!

    On the GT73VR, the CPU only had 1 radiator but it was separated and this was just a 4 core system so this was 'okay', although it could still have been better.

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    But for the GT75 Titan, MSI cheaped out and did this: Look:
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    This is what MSI *SHOULD* have done.
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  5. AU4U

    AU4U Notebook Evangelist

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    I guess you are a better computer engineer and designer than MSI.....Maybe you should tell the what their doing wrong and how to do it.
    Fortunately MSI they designed a system for the GT75 hat has NOT gone over 65°C (CPU or GPU), in stock settings, playing in ultra.
    I actually expect you to argue the point I made regarding the cooling, by removing the cooling and forcing an overheat and a thermal shutdown ..... Just to prove it can.
    This is the kind of thinking that is unproductive and a waist of time, just as your post demonstrates. There is no point or conclusion to your post, it can be easily dismissed as a 'RANT', as the cooling properties of the GT75 dismiss's your "That MSI heatsink is horrible" comment.
    You like your GT73, I like my GT75.....BTW the GT73 sucks.
     
  6. Falkentyne

    Falkentyne Notebook Prophet

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    Did you even read my post?
    All I see you is flaming and ignoring everything I said.
    MSI already fixed this system on the WT75 and upcoming F7.
    That's how it should be
    @yrekabakery agrees with me
    @Papusan agrees with me
    @Mr. Fox agrees with me.
    While you're just spewing abusive ad hominem fallacies to defend your jokebook purchase.


    Therefore you go on ignore forever now. Cya.
     
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  7. yrekabakery

    yrekabakery Notebook Virtuoso

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    I highly doubt a stock GT75 can keep a 6-core and GTX 1080 below 65C in Battlefield 1 64-player multiplayer with unlocked FPS.

    It doesn't take a strong engineering background to see that the WT75 has a more balanced heatsink configuration than the GT75.
     
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  8. Mr. Fox

    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist

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    HWiNFO64 will tell you immediately if the product is an engineering abortion or not. Doesn't take a rocket science degree to play a game and look at what happened. The numbers don't lie. If the temps suck running stock, then the people that designed it suck (or just don't care). Having a job as an engineer (or any other profession) and getting a paycheck for doing that job doesn't necessarily mean the person is good at it. In fact, it often seems to not be the case.
     
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  9. ThePerfectStorm

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    @Falkentyne - I agree with you, 100%. You may or may not remember me from the early days of @Phoenix 's review thread for the GT75 and the GT75 thread, but I have read all your posts (from when you identified the BIOS settings problem). If I had the money for a high-end DTR, it would definitely go to something that will hopefully go on sale soon after the F7, which is HIDevolution's (tagging @Donald@HIDevolution here) version since that will hopefully have @Prema BIOS. That would be a true beast.


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