quadro fx 3700m in a51 m17x?

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  1. gameboy3800

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    i ordered a quadro fx 3700m (not sure if hp or lenovo board as of yet. will need to wait for it to arrive to find out) for my area 51 m17x r1 to give it a little bit more life. it previously had dual 8600m gt cards, so i believe this will be a sizable upgrade. however i'm not sure if it will work automatically. i've read on this site about flashing the card to something else to increase compatibility. the thread i read about that was trying to get 2x 280m's to work though. would i need to do anything like that to get this 3700 card to work?

    i also read on the same thread about the 2x 280s that the fans have to be forced to full speed or else they don't work at all. would i need to do that to the 3700 card or is there a workaround? i think i read somewhere that you could leave one of the old cards installed, and that would somehow make the other gpu fan work normal. is that true, and would the same apply here?

    sorry for asking so many questions on this forum (i take up most of the top of the alienware legacy systems front page). i've been working on getting this old m17x back to speed for the better part of a year now, and now it's finally almost done. i just needed some advice is all.
     
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    I am not sure if anyone has attempted this swap. Did the Quadro have master & slave versions of the card, and if so which did you buy? You may need to play around with the VBIOS but I have bricked at least 1 card doing so. Your fan will probably have to be modded to an always on 100% power source.

    If you have read my 4850 swap thread. I tried a 4870 in my older m5750 before buying the 4850. The 4870 would boot into Windows but did not show anything on the built-in display or through the DVI port. I only knew it was working because I was able to VNC into the laptop from another machine and run GPU-Z. The VBIOS the card had was simply not compatible with my laptop.

    I then saw a 4850 that I tried. It's VBIOS was compatible but from all the reading I have done it seems the planets aligned for me finding a Type III 4850 in the first place, the card having a compatible VBIOS for my laptop, and only paying $100 for the card at the time.

    To keep the temps down though I had to solder the power lead for the 5V cooling fan to another 5V source in my laptop so now the fan always spins at 100%. Otherwise it would react to CPU temp but not GPU temp. MXM Upgrade had some sort of software approach to fix this but I never got it to work when I tried.

    Good luck and let us know how it goes. It may work fine, may function partially such as built-in display working but not external, or the system may just beep at the BIOS screen letting you know the card won't work. I have experienced all of this with the different cards I have tried.

    One other note is that I have seen people flash the Quadro cards with GTX based VBIOS' for compatible GPU's. I guess the Quadro cards are great for rendering something like modeling software but don't perform as well for gaming as their GTX equivalent. Also driver support for an older GTX card is probably better with games.

    Edit: I google'd and it looks like at least one other has tried the FX 3700, post #6
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...cs-cards-upgrade-options.602062/#post-7800423
     
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    the listing didn't say. but it's the correct format (mxm 2 with the he tab).
    i'll try a few different configurations. like having one of the 8600 cards still installed or just the quadro alone. also swapping their places to see if that makes any kind of difference.
    i've updated the vbios a few times on other computers, but never flashed a completely different vbios onto a card. so i may need some advice for that. mainly just where to find the 280m vbios like how the person on the other thread did.
    i've tested a quadro fx 3800m in a dell precision notebook to a gtx 285m in an m17x r2, and they were pretty much the same in gaming performance. any differences there were could be ignored since both computers had a different amount of ram and different processors.
    i only paid $35 for the 3700. so if it doesn't work it'll be no big deal. i just want to see if it will give any performance increase if it works.
     
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    This the Master / Slave thing you may just need to flash a master VBIOS if your card is running a slave one.

    This site has the best collection of VBIOS', just may be hard to pick between the desktop / mobile versions of the card. You usually have to compare memory, clocks, etc. to match. https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/

    For $35 I agree it's no loss if it doesn't work. When I was card shopping around 2009 I remember seeing an auction for a 3700 and the going price then was just under $400.

    The only other thing I saw in the thread I linked was while the 3700 worked for him he lacked the appropriate 3D clocks. He mentioned finding a VBIOS that allowed the clocks to work.
     
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    IMAG2229.jpg IMAG2230.jpg IMAG2231.jpg the card arrived today! it turns out it's an hp card. not sure if that changes anything or not.
    i took apart the 8600 gt heatsinks and cleaned them off. i used the old heat pads just to do a quick and dirty test to see if it would even be recognized. i had to remove some of the black tape on the heatsink to let all the memory heatpads get full contact with the cooler (modified on left, old one on right).
     
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    i just put the heatsink back on. it fit good and without issue.
    as soon as i get the new thermal pads, i'll put them on. i put the old ones on just to see if it will work. IMAG2232.jpg IMAG2233.jpg
     
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    it's plugged in. seems good so far. 9800m gt on right, quadro fx 3700m on left.
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    it got to the bios ok, and both cards are being recognized it seems.
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    it just got to the desktop. i checked device manager to see if i could the drivers to automatically install, but i couldn't. oh well. just have to wait and download from the nvidia website.
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    it's finally done downloading. and it seems like it's installing ok (it's not saying it's incompatible or anything).
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