Proof! Rtx, the most embarrsing scam in computer history! 2008 cpu raytracer outperforms 2080ti!

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  1. capo245

    capo245 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Cpu based realtime raytracing has been around a long time,
    even in 2008

    The video above is just to explain how a game with cpu based realtime raytracing would work(note that everything in the video above is rendered by the cpu thats why its a bit messy),
    to make it short the cpu calculates the position of a set of rays with a set of vectors and the gpu then knows what to reflect from outside of the camera view.
    This was used in an gta mod that ran flawless with ambient occlusion raytracing on 2013 hw!!!!(as seen from the reflection from objects outside of the camera view)

    Just a reminder this is the bf v benchmark before the downgrade!

    and thats what they promised

    there is no denying in the fact that this was a professional preplaned scam from the beginning preying on the hype a prerendered video and fake benchmark results would produce which nvidia has done in the past to hype scams!
    https://www.geek.com/games/futuremark-confirms-nvidia-is-cheating-in-benchmark-553361/
    If you want raytracing make pressure on gamedevs to do sth for theyre money other than lootboxes, they have no excuse if a hobbyist in his basement could do it.
    Think twice before spending 1000$ on a scam.
     
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  2. Spartan

    Spartan Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    yeah and soon the nVIDIA Drivers will cause current GPUs to drop in performance to force people to upgrade.

    I really wish AMD gives us a good GPU so we can bid nVIDIA farewell.
     
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    capo245 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Dont count on amd, we need the 90s back when over 100 companys competed on the x86 and gpu market.
    Cyrix, nexgen, siemens, ti, art-x, 3dfx, powervr, ati, ibm(resolled the best binned cyrix cpus), umc even transmeta(in ipc/watt) mobbed the floor with the established brands.
    The cyrix 6x86 pr200+ delivered the perfomance of 200mhz+ pentium II(which didnt exist at the time) at 75mhz, today this would be 8 ghz (no turbo) 64 cores 8700k or sth for a tenth of the price.
    http://datasheets.chipdb.org/Cyrix/M1/6x86/6X-PR200.pdf
    And in 3 months you would get a 52% cpu on average for the same price.
     
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    Alright lets fix some issues here.

    First of all, the ray tracing in the video (CPU wise) would not work properly in actual games, the ressources needed to let the CPU handle ray tracing like that would innstantly make any CPU go to 100% and the game run at absolute horrid frames.

    Second, GTA 4 does NOT feature ray tracing at all. You can clearly see the only thing that GTA 4 reflects are buildings, not actual objects such as cars, lightning etc. As you can see on the scene where police is chasing nico.

    That being said, ray tracing is indeed another marketing bs from Ngreedia to make people puchase their RTX cards. Hitman 2 does feature reflections just like ray tracing on any card, without huge performance hits, so ray tracing can easily be done on any card.
     
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    While they really don't offer anything worthy of consideration for notebooks, and probably will not anytime in the foreseeable future, if you are willing to lower your performance standards (and the graphics settings) you can save a lot of money going with an AMD desktop GPU right now. It does not require a lot of crazy GPU horsepower for most games at 1080p and their best GPU models (RX 580 and RX 590) already do that well enough to suit most gamers unless you have all the settings maxed out. But, I agree it would be really nice to have some respectable competition for the high end GPU market. I'd love to see the NVIDIOTS sweating drops of blood and losing sleep over it. But, I'd expect to see donkeys fly before that would happen. AMD needs to keep its engineering and financial resources focused on the CPU space or they'll end up not mattering any more like the decade preceding Ryzen. They already are borderline not mattering in the GPU space, so I think they're smart to not burn any calories on that. Fighting one battle at a time is the better approach for them. But, yeah... I definitely agree with wanting it to happen someday.
     
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    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist

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    Seems like you have posted this kind of thing in more than one place. What's up with that? Do you have an axe to grind with NVIDIA for some reason? (I did back around 2006-2007, when ATI made excellent GPUs and NVIDIA GPUs were dropping like flies. I was part of the class action and hated them back in the day when ATI was actually better.) Just curious what the motivation is for burning all the calories on this and I am not asking in a combative or argumentative way. Just asking.


     
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    Alrighty then... for the budget-conscious gamer with the bar set low, here is a SCREAMING great deal on a GPU that will do OK with lowered settings and 1080p. Go ahead... just buy it... honestly, so dirt cheap it is tempting, even for someone like me, because I could rack up a bunch of HWBOT hardware points with it for next to no cost after selling it on Craigslist for $20 less than what I paid for it, or to a moron on eBay for $40 more than I paid for it.

    PowerColor RED DRAGON Radeon RX 580 - $179 | NewEgg (Enter code 181SRPC85 at checkout to get the full discount)

    ...and, since our standards are low now, we can use the money saved compared to an RTX card to buy a one of these metal-chassis gems (which is actually a very good price for a gamer-boy BGA turdbook that puts everything else in the same class and with the same specs to shame)...

    OVERPOWERED Gaming Laptop 15+, 2 Year Warranty, 144Hz, Intel i7-8750H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060, Mechanical LED Keyboard, 256 SSD, 1TB HDD, 16GB RAM, Windows 10 - $799 | Walmart.com

    ...and, if we want to save an extra $300 and lower the bar on specs (and game settings) even further and still have the metal chassis, we can use the money saved for a gaming mouse, headphones, candy, bubble gum, Doritos and soda pop...

    OVERPOWERED Gaming Laptop 15, 2 Year Warranty, 144Hz, Intel i5-8300H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050, Mechanical LED Keyboard, 128 SSD, 1TB HDD, 8GB RAM, Windows 10 - $499 | Walmart.com

    ...or, we can buy an XBOX or a Playstation, plus a Chromebook, call it good, and skip all of the above.
     
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  8. Vasudev

    Vasudev Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    I think AMD should partner with Qualcomm GPU division and Intel GPU division to create a good GPU.
    Those prices are sweet for BGA books. I'm jealous of Americans now! Walmart priced it right with minimum SSD,RAM and even warranty. I hope OEMs do that as well. 499-799$ with GTX 1050/60 with 2 year warranty is totally worth the money for a portable device that is.
     
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    If I were going to stoop low enough to buy a BGA turdbook, which is extremely unlikely, that's the only one I would consider in light of the price and the 144Hz panel with the metal chassis. Brother @B0B loves them and has some good YouTube videos on them. They're way better than anything else with the same specs and the super low price just makes them a little more of a tolerable compromise. I mean, c'mon, why spend a TON more money for an Alienware, Razer or MSI turdbook with the same or similar specs when you can spend a small fraction of the price for something equal or better. When the bar is extra low, the price needs to be commensurately low, and they've accomplished that.
     
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    I don't agree with your viewpoint and neither with the evidence you show there. That 2008 CPU ray tracing, that's not better than 2080ti ray tracing, for a start it was running at very low frames and you could actually see the rays being filled in when he panned the camera, so that's inferior to 2080ti ray tracing, at least in as much that it's not real time - you can see the rays being filled in when he pans the camera, and like another user said here it was using all CPU resources of a 64 thread CPU, so that's not a feasible strategy for gaming. The GTA V video, I wasn't impressed with the visuals there, and I'm not even certain if any ray tracing is happening there, I think it could be using 'tricks' to mimic some aspects of ray tracing. The BF V trailer, I'm not sure that the ray tracing has been significantly downgraded since that trailer was made - I'm thinking you could recreate some of those scenes by placing cameras within the current game. I know in the recent patch that they did indeed downgrade some levels of detail of the ray tracing, but from what I've seen it's not visually significant. My viewpoint on the NVidia RTX lineup is that I think it's great that they've taken the step to include ray tracing (and some of the other features like DLSS x2), and I think it's a way to move the whole industry forward, but I dislike the huge price of these cards (I see it as unfair pricing), and I dislike the pretty small increase in general rendering performance which equates to only about 30% performance increase over Pascal cards which is hardly worthy when you consider Pascal cards have been out for over 2 yrs now, quite a pitiful increase in performance for a new generation of cards.
     
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