Prema BIOS questions

Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by droidmahn, Aug 30, 2016.

  1. Donald@HIDevolution

    Donald@HIDevolution Company Representative

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    There you go again...

    Why do you feel the need to exaggerate the facts? Sticking with the truth is far better form.

    The fact is, the difference is price is no where near $1,000, and any difference is not only due to the @Prema BIOS. Saying it is a $1,000 difference, in an open public forum, is really disgraceful, and as a hard working father of 2, you should be ashamed.

    As I said, you are certainly entitled to make your own choices for your own reasons, but coming here and lying is not fair to the rest of this community.
     
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  2. Donald@HIDevolution

    Donald@HIDevolution Company Representative

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    Why do you ask, have you already ruined yours?

    To answer your question...no.
     
  3. JCordero31

    JCordero31 Notebook Geek

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    After you corrected me about the no barebones thing i went on your site and built the same computer i got from rjtech 120hz panel 1080s in vapor chamber with nothing else it was priced 3775 before 2.5 off 3680 + 30 fee bank would be 3710 when i got mine at 2890.after wire transfer (includes 30 bank fee) . That's 820 dollar difference Nobody here is trying to discredit you guys. I'm not even trying to be a **** (yes I put stars you guys know what I ment) but if you don't believe me I took a screen shot. That's a huge chuck I can devote to other stuff. I've attached a screen shot. Proof is in the pic. If you want proof I can even build one on rjtech to show they actually raised the price by 70 bucks. Still I'd pay 70 over 820. No lieing. Facts sorry for being off a whole 180 bucks @Donald@HIDevolution

    Also my machine did not come with the psu or converter I got 250 off because I already have the converter and I got a 780w powers supply from eurocom. You guys don't offer that option but if I removed the 250 off I got its still be 570 dollars less. If you guys charged 200 more then them I would have paid just for that prema mod. Prema is an invaluable assest but when money comes to mind it's tough. 600 rounded is literally 4 of my bills plus gas for 2 weeks
     

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  4. JCordero31

    JCordero31 Notebook Geek

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    No I figured if I could buy a board from you guys I could get the prema bios since the board is from you guys and has to be supported by you

    I could sell the other board off and technically I'd have a evoc.
     
  5. Donald@HIDevolution

    Donald@HIDevolution Company Representative

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    Hmm, well let's start by comparing Apples to Apples.

    1. You priced ours with the B173QTN01.4 screen, which is a $175 upgrade that isn't offered by your vendor. You got the B173QTN01.0 screen. Why did you add this upgrade in your example, when that is not the screen you got? Not a fair comparison.
    2. With your warranty, you pay shipping both ways whether you are in the USA or International. Our Warranty covers shipping both ways in the USA.
    3. Your barebones warranty only covers the LCD, keyboard, and motherboard. Ours covers everything, including things like the touchpad, fans, cables, case...everything.
    4. For returns for refund your vendor only gives you 15 days, and charges a 15% restocking fee, even if the unit is Dead on Arrival (DOA). Our return policy is 30 days, and the restocking fee for returns for refund is 10%, and ZERO if it is DOA.
    5. Ours comes with the @Prema BIOS, and it is completely built, tested and goes through a rigorous Q.C. before it ships.

    Now, I see their price at $3,269 (http://rjtech.com/shop/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=30587), while ours, with exactly the same configuration including the same B173QTN01.0 screen, is $3,600, less the $30 Notebookreview member discount = $3,570...a difference of $301.00. To get the cash discount with us you don't have to pay a $30 bank fee, so if you paid that then the total cost difference is only $271.00 before cash discount.

    So, the mystery is, since your vendor's site shows $3,269 before cash discount, how did you get it for $2,890, even after the cash discount? It seems they must have raised the price a bit more than $70 since you bought yours, or you got a different configuration than they show at the link above. With their cash discount, including your $30 bank fee, their price would be $3,200.93. Our price, after the Notebookreview member discount, and cash discount, is $3,480.75, a difference of $279.82.

    Given the 5 differences noted above, a $279.82 difference would seem to be a fair value...and certainly not even close to $1,000, or $820.00.

    Now, let's quit hijacking this thread and get back to Prema BIOS questions.
     
  6. JCordero31

    JCordero31 Notebook Geek

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    The 30 dollars is a bank of America fee for a wire transfer to get the cash back. No psu or converter removes 250. I was assured by rjtech when I spoke to them via telephone that it was indeed the b173qtn01.4 that indeed would receive. Your right though. The other stuff about warranties you guys win hands down. It's was 2949 before the 3 percent off. 2860 after I did post the order but it had my info on it. I will digress and apologies to the community for any shenanigans people felt I played.
     
  7. Phoenix

    Phoenix Super Tweaker

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    It's not nice to make up false prices about ANY reseller, that is just not fair. First you said it was a 1000 USD difference, then it went down to 820, then it went down to 271 USD after Donald showed us the accurate calculation above. Be happy with what you bought and move on but don't come on here making false statements about any reseller.

    There are many Clevo resellers out there, and while it may seem that they are selling the same exact machine, understand that these are barebones machines and it is up to the system builder on how well they build it, put it together, stress test it, ensuring you get a quality product that works at out of the box and lasts long. Enthusiasts see the value in EVOC Machines and they don't start comparing it to others for a slight price difference because it can behave and perform in a totally different way depending on how it's configured, built, and what BIOS it has.

    For example HIDevolution delids the CPUs in-house to bring down the temps anywhere between 10C to 20C which is an absolute must for these desktop class CPUs that are running in a laptop otherwise you WILL get heat problems. Sure, you can delid yourself but when the system builder does it, your warranty is intact as they will cover the CPU warranty out of their own pockets even if Intel denies it because the CPU was delidded. That is a huge added value to the system.

    Now, I am one person who has owned a regular Clevo machine before then I sold it because I was sick and tired of the throttling, anytime the CPU + GPU are used simultaneously, the CPU would throttle down to 3.6 GHz or even go as low as 2.9 GHz (that was on a 6700K CPU in my previous P870DM); the standard BIOS is seriously limited and barely offers anything to play with. With the Prema BIOS, it's like you bought a super car and got a manual transmission with it, it puts you in full control.

    Not only for overclocking, but for example, when installing Windows, it is best to have only the SSD that you're installing Windows on connected and have to physically remove the other drives to prevent the Windows installer from placing the boot files on the 2nd drive which might cause boot slowdowns if the other drive was an HDD and might cause issues when creating system images because if you backup your first drive which is C: and the system partitions before it, the boot files are let's say on D:, so when you restore your image, if your boot partition was corrupt or messed up, you are SOL With the Prema BIOS, you don't need to open the laptop to disconnect/remove the other drives, you can simply disable them from the BIOS. Since I am a person who formats a lot, especially now we are getting lots of new builds of Windows 10 and upgrades never go smooth, that was a big plus point for me.

    After my experience with the stock Clevo machine I had, then seeing what the Prema BIOS does, it literally felt like a whole new laptop, both performance wise because no throttling and the ability to disable hibernation from the BIOS, disable certain drives, the list is too huge to list. I wouldn't care how much more a system from a Prema Partner costs, it's either a Clevo with the Prema BIOS or I'd rather get an Acer jokebook with a crippled cancer firmware/BIOS and just surf the net on it.

    I re-ran all the benchmarks which I did on the Clevo P870DM then re-ran them again on the Prema BIOS based P870DM (which was a Eurocom Sky X9 at the time) and I immediately noticed a big improvement across the board in all benchmarks.

    Benefits of Prema BIOS:

    • Restores user ability to overclock or underclock the CPU
    • Restores user control over CPU power settings (voltage, watts, amps) for optimal performance and/or thermal efficiency
    • Restores ability to control non-turbo CPU core ratio
    • Restores ability to control CPU c-states and p-states
    • Restores ability to control BCLK (northbridge) and FCLK (System Agent) frequency
    • Restores ability to enable Intel Speed Shift Technology functionality
    • Restores ability to disable Intel Software Guard Extensions (SGX) functionality which is intended for software developers who want to use that feature and causes erratic system behavior
    • Restores ability to control RSR, Watchdog Timer, ASPM, ACPI sleep and hibernation functionality
    • Restores ability to control RAM timings, clock speeds and enables the utilization of XMP profiles
    • Restores ability to control selection of Legacy, UEFI and CSM to install whatever operating system is desired
    • Restores ability to control CPU-based DEP, AES (encryption) and Virtualization
    • Restores ability to control GPU scaling, PCIe speed and power management features
    • Restores control over Thunderbolt and USB 3.1 configuration
    • Restores control over SATA port configuration and Intel LPM. Having the ability to disable drive ports allows exclusive control over what drive receives the BCD/boot sector, system and recovery partitions during Windows Setup and eliminates the need to physically remove non-OS drives when installing a new OS.
     
  8. BeastsForever.TheDragon

    BeastsForever.TheDragon Notebook Evangelist

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    They(hidevo) also provide free delidded and binned processors!
     
  9. BeastsForever.TheDragon

    BeastsForever.TheDragon Notebook Evangelist

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    Even win 7 ?

    Really!?
     
  10. Danishblunt

    Danishblunt Notebook Virtuoso

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    You can install Windows 7 on UEFI. When trying to install Windows 7 on the P870 then drivers will most likely be your issue, also the lack of direct x 12 will force you to upgrade in the near future, unless you do nothing gaming related on the ntoebook.

    But yes, prema does unlock all features, even that one you have marked bold.
     
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