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  1. killkenny1

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    Here's a new twist, Boeing is considering halting production of the 737 Max, but is concerned about losing skilled workers, a tough resource to recover after restarting production:

    Boeing Fears 737 Worker Exodus in Tightest Job Market in Decades
    Boeing is already in a pickle over its grounded 737 Max planes. It could get worse if workers start jumping ship.
    Bloomberg | Aug 29, 2019

    "The company is studying whether to pause Max manufacturing for a short, clearly defined period of time, according to people familiar with the matter. They figure that approach would conserve cash and be less likely to trigger widespread layoffs than imposing another factory slowdown.
    ...
    If they’re wrong, the largest U.S. industrial company will eventually need to address its ballooning Max costs -- $8.3 billion so far. By the count of George Ferguson, an analyst with Bloomberg Intelligence, Boeing has stored about 200 newly built 737s across several Western states. It can’t deliver them due to a worldwide flying ban imposed after the second crash in March."

    tl;dr - At the same time, Boeing's hiring technical and support people to maintain the growing fleet of about 300 737 Max's sitting built but undelivered.

    The Boeing 737 Max return to service is taking a lot longer than I would have expected - sometime in July / August is when I thought they would begin to return to service, but now they are talking about *next year*.

    Boeing has been continuing to make 737 Max's, now making planes at about 42 per month - a slight reduction from before the grounding, and plans to increase the build rate to 57 / month in 2020.

    Here are some local news station coverage from the area surrounding Boeing manufacturing:

    Boeing will hire hundreds of employees to manage grounded 737 MAX jets
    KING 5
    Published on Aug 20, 2019
    The company says it's looking to hire temporary mechanics, avionics technicians, people with experience with jet engines, and electricians in Moses Lake, Washington. KING 5 aviation expert Glenn Farley reports.

    Boeing crisis turning into an economic boost for Moses Lake
    KING 5
    Published on Aug 22, 2019
    Boeing said they will hire hundreds of temporary workers at Moses Lake. Moses Lake is anticipating an economic boost with all the hirings.

    Boeing MAX 737 planes parked on airport apron in Moses Lake
    KING 5
    Published on Aug 22, 2019
    The grounded aircraft sit on an airport apron in Moses Lake, Washington, waiting for software upgrades.

    Each month or so Boeing is putting planes further and further out from the manufacturing location, here's from a month ago, on a much smaller airfield:

    Boeing 737 MAX jets on apron at Renton Municipal Airport
    Published on Jul 24, 2019
    KING 5
    The grounded aircraft sit completed on several aprons at Renton Municipal Airport.

    So after about 5.5 months of grounding x 42 planes per month that's about 250 planes by the end of August beginning of September, and so far these fields only look like they've taken about 100 of those planes, so the rest must be at Boeing manufacturing or other undisclosed locations?

    Not much info other than these news clips, the next last coverage on this storage was from 4 months ago:

    Boeing 737 MAX airplanes mothballed at Everett's Paine Field
    KING 5
    Published on Apr 10, 2019
    About 10 Boeing 737 MAX planes are being stored at Paine Field in Everett after the U.S. grounded the aircraft last month.

    Boeing is rebranding the 737 Max as the 737 - 8200, at least for RyanAir:
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    EHang has continued to make progress, more marketing glitz for investors - EHang is actually 1-2 more years before it plans to deliver commercial services:

    China could be the first in the world to start regular flights on pilotless passenger drones
    WED, AUG 28 2019 3:34 AM EDT
    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/28/chinas-ehang-testing-flights-on-autonomous-passenger-drones.html
    • Chinese startup Ehang said it could start flights this year or next for passengers on its autonomous drones.
    • The company is working with the government in Guangzhou to come up with three or four regular flight routes.
    • If it happens, China could be the first country in the world for such a project.
    EHang Announces Tests in Guangzhou

    From last Xmas...in Guangzhou... hmmm...so not so new, and 1-2 years before service starts...at least they are still at it, I hope they succeed.

    LIVE: World's first passenger drone Ehang 184 delivers holiday gifts
    New China TV
    Streamed live on Dec 23, 2017
    LIVE: World's first passenger drone delivers Christmas gifts! Chinese-made #Ehang184 marks the holiday's festivity with a high-tech aerial delivery.
     
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    It's been a long long 7 months, and it looks like airlines have written off the holiday season as well, I hope the 737 Max passes FAA certification as air worthy...

    FAA chief: No specific timeline for Boeing 737 Max recertification
    CNBC Television
    Published on Sep 16, 2019
    CNBC's Phil LeBeau talks with the Stephen Dickson, the new head of the Federal Aviation Administration, to discuss his leadership role, recertifcation of Boeing's 737 Max jet and more.


    FAA chief will test Boeing 737 MAX changes this week in Seattle
    KING 5
    Published on Sep 16, 2019
    The Boeing 737 Max has been grounded since March after two deadly crashes that killed 346 people. FAA chief Stephen Dickson plans to test Boeing's changes to the MAX in Seattle this week.
     
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