P775DM3-G graphic artifacts, stuttering and no GPU compute

Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by Mnddbbl, Jan 9, 2018.

  1. Papusan

    Papusan BGABOOKS = That sucks!! STAHP! Dont buy FILTH...

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    And you can’t clock down 6700K to 6700 clock Speed?:confused:What you suggested is same as throw your hard earned money down the drain.
     
  2. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    If you configure the TDP and multipliers down it should behave exactly the same yes.
     
  3. Mnddbbl

    Mnddbbl Newbie

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    Well, I can live with a waste of the CPU capabilities, if it results in not trashing the entire system. I believe that I overrated my CPU needs when purchasing it anyway. I did originally undervolt it, as it was advised on these forums, but didn't bother after the RMA. My mistake I guess. However, I don't believe it is acceptable not to be able to use the components to their proper capacity on a totally stock settings on a machine that expensive (especially when we are talking about a CPU that's expected to be overclocked, on a system that seems to be made for that very purpose...That was the recommanded config by XMG at that time I believe) That's my first Clevo laptop, and this has been a confusing experience overall, with this beast basically eating through any task with ease, until it dies on me for like, no reason. The worst part is that I still feel I'm having it better than some colleagues did with their similarily specced and much more expensive MSI's.

    God the laptop market is confusing.
     
  4. Danishblunt

    Danishblunt Notebook Virtuoso

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    Well actually the dominator series from MSI have the best cooling thus far and the best desktop CPU based notebook ( in terms of cooling) that can handle stock clocks somewhat decent is actually the Tornado F5, which is an MSI barebone as well.

    This practice has been running for a long time now, Clevo is downright terrible when it comes to designing cooling solutions, it has always been like this and hasn't reallly changed that much. They use annoyingly loud fans to compensate for their really crappy design causing heatsinks to not fit properly resulting in loud and inefficient notebooks. Most people here have been taping, lapping, adding some stuff to the screws to make it fit properly etc. in order to get somewhat decent temps out of it. Meanwhile the MSI GT 70 series are running an I7 4910MQ processors and GTX 980M on a single fan cooling them down better than Clevos huge fan solutions on their P15x and P17x series with 2 huge fans.

    Many people here have the same notebook as you do or a similair one, sadly they are so biased towards their chosen notebook, which causes them to convince themselves that the notebooks they bought isn't a complete mess. Most people here who post how great their desktop notebook is have invested quite some time trying to fix designs flaws and running a cooling pad with mediocre overclock and high temps, while bragging how amazingly more powerful it is compared to other notebooks, while actually not being noticably more in most scenarios at all.

    The issue here is not that they modded so much to get it somewhat working, not even that the performance gain in most applications are barely noticeable if not at all, nor that people want to brag about their performance, but that people like you, who don't want to lose their warranty fiddling around with the system and just want a nice and pleasant experience with their notebook they bought for a lot of money get completely mislead by people claiming how great their system is.
     
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  5. poprostujakub

    poprostujakub Notebook Consultant

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    Would you like to see some screenshots from my overheated MSI's?
    My old -2PC with 4810MQ and GTX870M had power throttling on CPU and thermal throttling on GPU. So I sold it and bought Clevo P375SM. 4940MX+2x980M (premified) showed me, that if I want unleash real power of my hardware, there's only Clevo.
     
  6. Danishblunt

    Danishblunt Notebook Virtuoso

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    How about you show me the temps of your powerhouse? Oh..it's dead.

    Sorry but I can't take anyone serious who wants to show me a screenshot of a single overheating GT 70 notebook, while having "selled" one of his GTX 980M and literally burned his other to a crisp while claiming the notebook that had burned one of his GPU, is superior to the one he apparently has sold fully functioning in terms of thermals.

    My point is, that MSI has a way better idea of creating cooling solutions. In my example the GT 70 only had 1 fan, yes 1 fan for both GPU and CPU, and still could keep the system cooled without burning everything to the ground. A friend of mine has a GT 60 with a 3940xm @ 4ghz and an OC 970M working in 80s, still, 1 fan.
     
  7. poprostujakub

    poprostujakub Notebook Consultant

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    I have new and more powerful toy. Old toys have new owners and as far as I know they are satisfied.

    I suppose you have no idea about electronics? So it's pointless to explain you this case. I also thinks, that any discussion with you will be pointless, because in your self-admiration you assumed, that I am so stupid, to use thermally-burned GPU as example (and that self-admiration is also the reason, why your threads have so little answers).

    GT70 have one of the most non-efficient cooling solutions in DTR notebooks. It works only because both GPU and CPU have limits. For example - 4810MQ I mentioned before migrated with me to P375SM. In MSI - 3,4GHz on full load, power limit throttling, 85°C. In Clevo - 4GHz, no throttling, 85°C. This is to be an example of MSI GT70 good cooling solution?
    Also, show me Cinebench R15 score on this GT60, after a few repeats. GTX970M is cold card - in P751ZM from my signature it tops 70°C.

    Both MSI and Clevo have problems with cooling for example, ridicously loud GT75 or 15°C difference on temperature beween cores.
    But you have your own crusade against unlocked, frequently overclocked Clevos, when at the same time most of other notebooks don't handle mobile 45W CPUs.

    P.S. This burned 980M after change some MOSFETs and capacitors returns to life.
     
  8. Danishblunt

    Danishblunt Notebook Virtuoso

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    I doubt you'd be able to explain anyone anything to be fair. I merely pointed out a logcial flaw in your statement, doesn't mean I assume you're stupid, so those are your words.

    So you're saying because of some power limit issue your cooling is at fault. idk about you, but this seems golden.
    The GTX 970M is OCed, it's about as hot as a 980M gets on stock.

    Never seen the 15c differences on a GT 75 Notebook from a user, only seen it on 1 notebookcheck review, which I assume was bad heatsink screwing in or something along the lines of that, however you're right about the noise. The GT75VR is extremly loud, same as the LGA Clevo notebooks, it's a real pain.

    P.S: that's how repairs work. duh.
     
  9. poprostujakub

    poprostujakub Notebook Consultant

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    As long as interlocutor does not want to understand arguments of the other party, there's no way to explain anything to him. Also, from this point of view, any arguments recognised by most people as valid, can be classified as logical flaws.

    I'm saying, that without this limits, this poor GT70 will melt. Power, that P375SM can easily dissipate, for GT70 is beyond range.
    Who talks about stock on 980M? Both cards was OCed and peaked at 150W under GTA V. Burned one has lost its life when power draw climbed to about 185W (GTX1080 level). Have you ever seen how looks VRM on 980M in comparision with 1080? Clevo DTRs have capabilities to work at levels far beyond any other notebook can reach, but MXM cards ends earlier.

    I see 79 hits for "uneven heatsink" search on MSI section. A little more, than one review.
    Have you ever hear any Clevo LGA-book? My P870DM on stock is far more quieter than any other notebook I ever seen (even more quiet than my girlfriend's Acer with 2430M and GT540). @4GHZ, -95mV and custom fan profile sets to 60-70°C fan reaction range, I can play largest maps on Civ V in complete silence.

    P.S. OK, now I'm sure, that you are not able to understand difference between core damage and VRM damage.
     
  10. Danishblunt

    Danishblunt Notebook Virtuoso

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    Lord praise google translate.
    Oh yeah you mean the power that literally melted your 980M for instance. I can't imagine why anybody would not want to melt their components. You're the prime example for my first long text, and therefore I thank you for demonstrating what I just wrote.

    79 hits out of millions of notebooks from the largest gaming notebook company. Better strap ourselves for a ride because that seems like a very very high percentage...oh wait it doesn't.
    Yes i've heard LGA books and it's nothing new that they are loud. Also comparing a big gaming notebook with a very old flat probably dried out thermal pasted notebook it downright flawless.

    P.S: Nobody talked about any core damage.

    You wanna keep going because so far you look pretty silly. It's clear you're biased towards your notebook.
     
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