Oldschool: MSI GX660 Rookie Upgrade Misadventures

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    zancis Newbie

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    Hi,

    Long time lurker, I am new to the forum. Glad to be here. Thank you for all the wealth of shared info here.
    I want to give some reading material back, and share my experience with MSI laptops, which I've been using for something close to 9 years now.

    I've had two of them.

    Currently using a GT72 6QD with the Skylake 6700HQ, and Nvidia 970M and I'm extremely happy with the system, apart from some shoddy build quality issues (lost the blue color on the keyboard backlight, broke the left screen hinge, and some minor others)

    Prior to that used I an GX660 (non-R) which I still have (Nehalem i5-460, 4GB Ram, ATI Radeon 5870), It has been in storage since 2014. It has served me extremely well for DAW work (Nuendo, Pro Tools) and gaming in the spare time. The only problem I had with the laptop in the period from 2011 to 2014 is that the battery got completely shot. It is truly a well built machine, with chintzy "party like its 2000" looks So I've decided to dust it off and see, whether it can be used in 2019, and make some upgrades, and I would like to document this in this thread :)

    Basic maintenance first - clean out the cooling system, re-paste CPU, GPU, and see if I can still use it.
    So I took it apart for the first time ever - I was too big of a chicken to disassemble a laptop, especially when I had work stuff on it, and ongoing projects, but in this case, the GX660 is retired, so it gave me a little more comfort in doing that :)

    After cleaning out all the crap from the heat sinks and fan, I've repasted the CPU and GPU with Arctic MX4, and ran some tests - I usually do video compression routines for maxing out a CPU - Compressing a ProRes video to h264 and vice versa - this usually loads all available CPU threads to 98 %. Results were nice - MSI Afterburner showed 74 degrees Celsius max during 1 hour on CPU, and this is on stock clocks, and stock fan curve, with no Cooler Boost. Pretty nice. Idle temps were nice too - 44 degrees when using "Gaming Mode" profile (2.7 GHz clock)

    So far so good, but when I stopped using this machine back in the day, I remembered that my Windows installation got so rotten, that the computer took like 2-3 minutes to boot and start windows 7, and during startup windows was completely non-responsive, and the HDD just kept grinding on and on - It was so annoying.

    So yeah, in era of NVME SSDs, you kinda get spoiled with boot speeds. I had the brilliant idea to update to Win10 by thinking that it could somehow be a more efficient OS, and I'm going to be able to weasel my way through rest of maintenance tasks. Yeah, LOL.
    After spending half of day of installing it and getting updates (instead of trying to de-fragment all partitions which I should have been doing in the first place) I successfully completed the upgrade, and got hit with even worse loading times, and generally lower system performance.

    So I decided to go ahead and install an SSD after seeing how my GT72 handles Win10. There's really no going back to slow HDDs, after you've been on SSDs for the past years. I really couldn't be arsed with defrag and potentially losing an entire day of doing it, and not getting any performance boost. Well I'm glad I did!

    With today's excellent prices, I snagged up an WD Blue 500GB SATA SSD. I tried reading forums about potential pitfalls, how the SSDs are not recognized, how I need modded BIOS in my system, but a lot of info was outdated on the topic, and in general it got too much like trying to cure herpes by reading Internet, so I just decided to go ahead and cowboy my way through it.

    I guess I got lucky. My machine has Stock MSI non-RAID bios, version 10L. I put the unpartitioned SSD in Icybox SATA to USB3 adapter caddy and the GX660 instantly recognized the drive in OS and mounted it as unallocated storage blob. Then I proceeded to clone my HDD's partitions to the SSD using Macrium Reflect free edition. I cloned it straight to USB - I couldn't install the drive, in the second 2.5" Bay, because I don't have that stupid bracket with screw holes to support it in the bay.

    The drive cloning finished in under two hours. Then I took the laptop apart again, and swapped the old HDD for the SSD.

    I didn't even manage to enter the bios setup to change the boot order when I already found myself at the Windows desktop - the system booted up so fast - it was like night and day difference!

    So I can pretty much say that this drive is Plug and Play, just in case if any of you are planning a similar upgrade. Model is Western Digital Blue SSD WDS500G2B0A

    Pretty happy with how it all went so far. Turned out to be a best case scenario.
    The key takeaways are:

    1. MSI used to make really good machines back in the day. Of course all my Macbook Pro toting colleagues would laugh me out of the office due to looks, but hey - at least I didn't have a single warranty issue.
    2. SSDs are a real shot in the arm for veteran machines like this one.

    So, time for next steps. I got bit by this tinkering bug, so I'm gonna keep modding this machine, until I turn it into an usable one in 2019:

    1. RAM upgrade (8 Gigs Max? 4 gigs is way too low these days)
    2. CPU Upgrade (920 or 940xm). Gotta love those sockets in laptops. Also the clock speed on these can be pretty high, just a teeny bit lower on turbo, than my current 6700HQ. Really shows how Intel has been making us pay through the nose all these years.
    + I really would like to do something about that single cooling fan in the system. It is bit too loud for my taste - is it possible to change it to AAVID like in my GT72 or something similar? Has anyone done this?

    I will follow up with the next upgrades.
    Happy New Year everyone!
     
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    Bobbert9 Notebook Consultant

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    Always good to see an older machine resurrected! I'm in the process of adding an SSD to a friend's desktop gaming PC that is taking about 10 minutes for the hard drive to quiet down after boot.

    Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
     
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    As gx660 has 3 RAM sockets, you can go up to 12GB (3 x 4GB) or probably 16GB (2 x 8GB).
    It's LVDS so you can go as high as 980m gtx. As the old stock 5870m (or 460m gtx I don't remember) is really lame now... Or a second hand 780m gtx for cheap would do the job nicely.
    920xm was definitely a beast back in the days. Used to have it rock stable at 3.4Ghz on all 4 cores on my old MSI GX660. It's worth less than 50$ on ali or ebay. So definitely worth the shot :)
    But with 980m and 920XM, you need the biggest PSU (aka 180W model). You can go higher but if I remember correctly there's a BIOS/EC trick that triggers throttle if more than 180W is drained from PSU.
    Keep us posted! And post some pics. I loved that lappy with all the orange led bars ;)
     
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    Welcome and nice to see previous GX660 owners! This model is the one that made me an MSI fan, previously being an Asus fan. My ex GX660R is still alive, just no longer with me :) I had upgraded mine in LCD (bought a nice LG one with much better colors and quality), the CPU I had was a 920XM, RAM to 16GB and dual SATA SSDs in raid 0.

    Keep in mind the following: While that model was still capable of using a wide assortment of GPUs including recent ones, the heatsink and general cooling capacity was not made for such GPUs. Unless you also mod the heatsink/change and adapt it with another one, I would suggest not to upgrade the GPU to the higher end GPUs like 980m, and instead use, at best, something like the 970m. The last upgrade I remember for said GX660 was an HD7970m.

    And! if you do use the 920xm, remember to use/buy a higher capacity power supply! The included 120w is not enough for an unlocked 920xm with an HD5870m, and if overclocked it will shut down! At the very least get a 150w PSU, but if you do plan on getting a higher end GPU, try for a 180w PSU.

    MSI laptops are great, but naturally some models had infamous issues. The GT72 had the hinge issue, which my previous GT70 also was a victim of. But of all the models I have had from MSI, all of them are alive and well, and working great.
     
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    I've never had any hinge issue with GT60/70 chassis. Honestly they are quite solid compared to the old msi GT/GX chassis (gx740 / gx640)...
    They need a bit of silicon spray once in awhile (or to be greased) but that's about it.
     
  6. zancis

    zancis Newbie

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    Hi!

    Here's an update.

    I swapped out the original i5-460m CPU to an i7-920xm. Arctic Silver MX4 thermal paste. Still on Stock BIOS, latest version, non-R. Still on stock 120W PSU
    Pretty much a plug&play upgrade again, no issues.

    Again I ran video compression routines to test performance and thermals.

    I got 155 fps encoding speed from H264 to Prores an 55fps vice versa - pretty impressive for laptop of this age.

    During encoding, MSI Afterburner reported a stable clock speed of 2.1 GHz across all 8 threads (Gaming mode on)
    There is a noticeable increase in temps and fan noise - I hit 81 degrees C on full load compared to 74-75 degrees on the i5-460, but the CPU stays there.
    When the CPU is idle in "Gaming mode", the temps hover around 57-60 degrees C - a significant increase over the i5.

    The machine feels properly fast now. I'm a bit concerned about Idle temps - the 60 degrees is not stable, when gaming mode is on - it rises up to 70 sometimes - I will probably repaste the CPU with Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut.

    A GPU upgrade probably won't happen in the near future, unless I can find a good deal on 980MXM - then I can hand down my old 970MXM to the GX660, but these MXM boards are still stupid expensive. I don't really see prices dropping.
    Putting in a 1060MXM in my GT72 is probably not worth the hassle, and many things can go wrong.
     
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    Nice going man. I do recommend changing your thermal paste and checking contact, because I usually ran at 90 Celisus, but I was overclocked to like 3.2ghz all cores. Stock speeds I never had an issue with temperatures. But don't worry, it is indeed a hot CPU in the end.

    The last GPU upgrade I wanted to perform to the GX660 was back when the HD7950M launched. It was no longer my machine but I was convincing my friend to do it, but I couldn't hahaha.

    Even today they are still very capable machines. Considering they are from 2010, it is damm impressive they are still relevant today and very good performers.
     
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    Mine has a 920xm clocked at 3.2
    95% gamut B156hw01 V4
    10Gb 1333mhz ram 2x4gb hynix and 1x2gb toshiba all three of them cas9 showing as dual channel
    2x260Gb ssd in raid 0 (440Gb usable)
    1x750Gb HDD in the optical bay (yes I bought an adapter and glued the front optical fascia to it, looks gorgeous).

    Ordered 2 days ago an EXP GDC BEAST cause I wanna hook it up to the expresscard. Should be amazing to hotswap a 1050 gpu. Mainly I will use it to stream games on my Ps Vita on wan while I am away for work.

    Both the CPU and GPU have been pasted with liquid metal thermal grizzly conductonaut.

    Yesterday I played Witcher 3 with MSI afterburner overclocking the 5870 at 820x1120
    Played medium settings 1280x720
    Cpu never went above 70 (average was 62)
    Gpu never above 65 (average 58)

    I would recommend to repaste all of your chips with liquid metal. Differences are huge.
    I have been using this for more than a year in any laptop I have, temps dropped by 20 degrees!
     
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    1060 mxm in gt72 is pretty much plug & play, except that you need to change an .inf file in the display driver folder...
    GT72 can take up to 1070 gtx with its 240W PSU. With that GPU you get a wonderful gaming laptop...

    Your old GX660 still packs a punch with 920xm but will definitely be limited to 980m GTX (with 180w PSU mandatory) or R9 M290X... If I were you I'd get a cheap 7970m/8970m/R9 m290x and stick with it.
    Stay away for the egpu crap as the expresscard will be limited to 1x PCIe so performances will be ugly...
     
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    "Stay away for the egpu crap as the expresscard will be limited to 1x PCIe so performances will be ugly..."


    A 980m costs in excess of 300 pounds
    A egpu coupled with a 7970 costs 30 the former and 70/80 the latter.

    Bandwidth has nothing to do with it. Mobile graphics are pretty overpriced anyway.
    I used to have a gtx680 with my lenovo 430 via expresscard and it was performing much better than my Clevo p170 with gtx880m.

    Why would you spend 3 times more? Portability? These are gaming laptop desktop replacement anyway, you won't carry them no where.
     
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