Official Sony VAIO F Series i5/i7 owners thread *part 4*

Discussion in 'VAIO / Sony Owners' Lounge Forum' started by Willscary, Aug 20, 2010.

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  1. OoTLink

    OoTLink Notebook Evangelist

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    If you think that's bad, you should see the price on a decent firewire 800 enclosure XD

    I have a saying:
    Take a piece of metal that costs 50 cents to make,
    * Call it a car part, it's now worth $50
    * Call it a computer part, it's now worth $100

    eSATA enclosures are all about style since it's just a box with a pass through plug on it and a cable. Sometimes they have shock protection, sometimes they don't.

    A quality USB enclosure will make a difference with transfer rates, although with a powerful enough machine you might not see much of a difference. The more expensive USB enclosures might also be more reliable when it comes to sleeping a drive as it should (and/or quieter fan operation!)

    Then again, you could say that you're paying money for a pretty brand.. oh wait that's just like the $1400 VPCF115FM when you could've purchased an $1100 Dell XPS 16 with roughly the same specs.

    (They did exist at one point in time).

    Or you could've went and purchased a $2200 MacBook Pro with somewhat similar specs as well, only a much much larger battery. Hrmm..

    Yea I know how you guys feel about that

    BTW? Anyone want a good web designer for about $1200? I would love to sell my Sony and upgrade to a MBP ;)

    Last thought: You guys are still ranting about the hard disk performance? This is my only problem with you Joe, you manage to make every issue in this thread a 30 page long debate about how the F series is perfect and anyone that proves otherwise is wrong (or their complaint is invalid) XD

    You need to get a life man.
     
  2. Joe Bleau

    Joe Bleau Notebook Virtuoso

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    Actually I am shopping for a MicroSD card reader to USB for a friend & found 2 units bundle for $0.99 including shipping worldwide here. :)

    Power eSATA cable direct to SATA 2.5" drive + a Power eSATA card for your PC for $10 shipped here.
     
  3. anseio

    anseio All ways are my ways.

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    Here you go, Joe. Now this is special, JUST FOR YOU!

    You're going to get HD Tune results for my Hitachi in Optical Bay AND my Seagate 7200.4 in the eSATAp enclosure. Better yet? The tests were run in WinXP Pro 32bit with the Seagate containing the OS, the HDD bay empty, and the Hitachi in the Optical Bay, but WinXP cannot access the disk due to
    different file systems. Is this enough variances to get your panties in a bunch?

    Please accept that lundstom.emil and I have disfuntional HDD's. Whether it's Safe Mode or not... we ONLY HAVE THIS PROBLEM WITH THE SEAGATE 7200.4 ST9500420AS. I cannot duplicate this "curve" with my Hitachi in any bay. I've already established that my eSATAp enclosure is indistinguishable from the HDD actually being in the F11. The read rates are identical.

    [​IMG] [​IMG]

    A quality eSATA enclosure matters too. Willscary bought several generics earlier this year and none of them can get the transfer speeds that mine has.

    I agree. I'd like to see dropped the assumptions that lundstrom.emil and I are like "hysterical" women who take their children to the hospital saying they're sick, but the doctors don't believe them even though the kid is actually sick.
     
  4. Joe Bleau

    Joe Bleau Notebook Virtuoso

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    I don't blame you for missing the point, it was quite a bunch of posts.

    It started when I posted a bench w/ a 7200.4 Seagate. Emil & Anseio also had a 7200.4 so they tried it on their F's & got slower rates then Daniel bench same as I & we then tried to find out why there was a difference. My recent post on the subject: VAIO_F Series: Benchmarks Secondary HDD in ODD Bay vs Main Drive vs eSATA/USB Port where the eSATA/USB port w/ the eSATA enclosure acts like Emil's & anseio's: slower in normal OS & faster in Safe Mode.

    It's a legitimate question & we did not find the explanation yet.

    We have similar machines w/ similar drives but different settings. Where else can a group of F users compare score cards? My HDD's are after market, theirs OEM F. The best would be to test the different drives on the same machine w/ the OS cloned like they do in professional reviews. Do you guys want to ship me your drives for testing? :)

    Are your Mac remarks more on topic? :confused:

    @ anseio: check the link above for more explanations, if my enclosure (it's the exact same as Willscary's) and/or the drive and/or the F hardware were the problem then the Average Read, Maximum & Burst rates would not be so high in Safe Mode. IMO something loading or running in normal OS is not in agreement with my enclosure + the 7200.4 combination. The same enclosure runs fine with my slower 5400 rpm drives: WD Scorpio Blue 400GB & the Samsung F OEM 500GB. The same 7200.4 HDD runs fine as the main drive or as a secondary drive in the ODD bay. IN fact they are faster than your Hitachi 7200 rpm. Running in Safe Mode makes a difference only for the enclosure in my case & the only thing that OS mode does is changing what drivers/software gets loaded: it does not make any changes to the hardware themselves.

    [​IMG] [​IMG]

    I asked for a simple test: how does the 7200.4 acts in the ODD bay in normal OS mode w/ the anti virus disabled, HD Tune, 64 kb block size?

    Edit: Just a thought, do you guys have Virtualization enabled in the BIOS??? I do not.

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  5. raincity

    raincity Notebook Guru

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    Joe, I did all you suggested and much more weeks ago. I don't need troubleshooting steps, I just need to know if anyone else with the same hardware is seeing this problem.
     
  6. raincity

    raincity Notebook Guru

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    I've spent many hours troubleshooting this and have updated all drivers and associated programs.

    I do have some other strange screen update problems (blinking and slow updates of moving objects in drawing programs) but none as annoying as this. It seems to happen on all Flash videos and as I stated in my original post, it occurred the first time I turned on the machine - the first time I used it. I'd expect a software problem to be experienced by someone else that has the same configuration, and since this machine was sold by Costco there are lots of those folks out there, but it seems that no one else has seen this issue. This is a quad core machine with 4 gigs. Plenty fast for Flash.
     
  7. anseio

    anseio All ways are my ways.

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    Sorry, I can't bring myself to unmount my Hitachi from the caddy and swap it all around for the sake of this test.

    It'd be great to try my Seagate in another machine, but I've already proved that cloning the system is not necessary in that I have consistent results when testing from Win7 Full Install, Win7 Clean Install, and now WinXP Pro.

    This really isn't even an issue for my anymore since I know the problem to not be my hardware, since I have 2 HDD's and one SSD to test. I've only continued contributing because I have thought that your requests for HD Tune were not demanding, but not this particular one.

    There's something odd about the Seagate firmware. I would be willing to upgrade mine if I could find a newer version to install.

    I do have virtualization enabled, as I use XP Mode on occasion.
     
  8. pandabear2cute4u

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    Thanks for the reply..

    So, if I didnt mind running both cables or just USB, then I would have a lot more options? Are there specific make and models of enclosures that I should shy away from? Also, some enclosures only support up to a certain size of hard drive, but the F127 is supplied with a 640GB.

    I know both read only and read/ writer are offered, but I wasnt sure which comes with the F127.

    Here is the site Im thinking about ordering it from: Sony VAIO VPCF127FX/B 16.4 Intel Core i7-740QM (1.73GHz from mwave.com

    Is that Seagate 7200.4 the same hard drive that comes with the F12s or is it a different model?
     
  9. Joe Bleau

    Joe Bleau Notebook Virtuoso

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    Thanks for your previous benchmarks contributions & I understand if you don't want to swap the HDD in the ODD bay. OTOH that would have been my first step in your shoes: to check the 7200.4 in it vs as the main drive because of the choking thing. ;)

    "...It'd be great to try my Seagate in another machine..." - Emil did that & got better rates.

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    Virtual Mode in BIOS - VT

    "...I do have virtualization enabled, as I use XP Mode on occasion" - I tried enabling VT in the BIOS & it affected my F's performance as shown w/ some Passmark utilities. There is no free lunch.

    From my old post: VAIO_F Series Virtual Machine: Virtual PC vs. VirtualBox: Windows XP Mode and Windows Virtual PC: download page:
    If you don't use Virtual PC often then there is no point in having it permanently enabled in the BIOS IMO and besides there are the free VMware Player & VirtualBox as mentioned in the post linked above.

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    I dunno about weeks ago but by coincidence, this morning on first boot there was an auto update notification for Flash Player 10.1. :)

    Mangosango & I asked you the same question: which internet browser are you using & did you try an other one?

    Mangosango knows a thing or 2 about video & settings BTW, click on the links included in his signature. ;)

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    Enclosure & HDD Size?
    It's not the drive's storage capacity that is the limitation, it is it's physical thickness. The F's main drive bay is designed for a standard 9.5mm thick 2.5" HDD + it's caddy so the OEM 640GB is 9.5mm. Mangosango just posted a few pages ago a benchmark with his Startech S2510PESAT + the extra cable he had to buy + a 640GB HDD. Just go back a few pages & read.

    [​IMG]
     
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  10. Fishon

    Fishon I Will Close You

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    I priced this one out at Sony VPCF1290X CTO and it came in at $21.00 more than at mwave. This includes the Adobe bundle and I believe everything else is the same. You can always get Sony to reduce price by 10% ( see my post from long ago on how to negotiate price) and if you qualify for Sony financing, they will give you 12 months interest free and another $50.00 off. I would purchase CTO at Sony.
     
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