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Official Sony S11/S12/S13 (2010) Owners Thread

Discussion in 'Sony Owners' Lounge Forum' started by dubbs, Jan 13, 2010.

  1. snip3r_3

    snip3r_3 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Hmm... I remember seeing the SR's screen as being somewhat limited vertically and also read about it too. It's also a trademark of TN panels so perhaps "limited" has to be defined more accurately.

    Maybe different revisions of the SR had different screens I suppose. The S' screen out of the box is decent as well, but not really optimal as after about 20 minutes of fumbling I got it looking quite nice and resembling my desktop's monitor. Not all panels are made the same, thus all require slightly different calibration to suit the requirements (as I need it to be as accurate as it can be) or needs of the user (brightness/viewing angles).
     
  2. Solinx

    Solinx Notebook Consultant

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    Some of you are labeling the screen as 'bad' by comparing it to all sorts of screens, including even plasma TV screens. Of course the viewing angles are bad in such a comparison, it's a notebook panel!

    Others are labeling it as 'great' by comparing it only to other notebook screens. In my eyes that puts things in the right perspective, but don't forget that this 'great in comparison', does not mean the screen really is all that great, it's just less bad than the rest.


    Two more points. First, not all screens are equal. And I don't aim for the difference between two notebooks here. Some S notebooks will have a somewhat better screen than other S notebooks. It's just a matter of luck whether you get a good one or not.

    And finally, judging the quality of the screen as 'great' or 'bad' is purely subjective. There is no point in arguing about it, as there are too many (unknown) variables between the quality of the screen and the judgements.


    There are at least two ways you can get a more unified measurement of the screen quality. The first is to set up a new poll specifically asking about the rated quality in comparison with other notebooks. Not much better, but better nonetheless and doable. The proper method would be to get a set of instruments to do measurements, repeated with a few notebooks to compare the results. This would be great, but obviously less doable.

    Just arguing on about who is right and wrong is absolutely pointless.
     
  3. ehosey2

    ehosey2 Notebook Evangelist

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    @ Solinx : Points well taken. When I happen to make any comparisons, it will be with other notebook screens. And yes, perhaps I've been lucky to have great screens with my notebooks. I am very pickey though about the screen. If I'm spending the money on any " premium " notebook....that being only Sony VAIO notebooks, I'll scrutinize, evaluate, compare, and think about it quite a bit before I buy it, as I'm sure others do as well. My 3 VAIO notebooks I currently own, and the 4th being a V505 that I just retired, all have great screens with excellent viewing angles, side to side and up and down. I personally wouldn't purchase anything less, or accept anything as being " just acceptable, " like the CW's out now. I own 3 HDTV's which are all LCD and know those panels are in a different league than a notebook screen. That being said, without performing any scientific tests, I stand by my position but add the disclaimer " my customized SR590...the latest SR in the series....looks great, and not just comparing it to any old Dell, Compaq, or whatever, but comparing it with my other " premium " VAIO notebooks. Yep, I admit it, I guess I'm pickey.
     
  4. ehosey2

    ehosey2 Notebook Evangelist

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    I apologize if this is off topic, even though the point is still about the SR's screen. But another thing. Some non-scientific tests of a notebook panel, or let's call it " real world " testing of viewing angles could be things like :

    How often do you find yourself adjusting the panel ever so slightly trying to achieve that sweet spot ? Did it a lot with the CW.

    How does a screen look when on a desk with let's say 2 other notebooks on the same desk and the ones not in the middle ? Is there significant washout or are the screens still uniform and bright with minimal ( subjective word I guess ) washout or darkening of the screen ?

    Let's say you are walking into the room and happen to walk beside the notebook ? You get a new instant message notification. A good screen will still be viewable from the side where you notice that new message unlike where a poor screen would be too washed out to notice that message.

    A good screen is one that allows you to view a movie with another person at the same time without suffering from washout and darkening of the screen.

    So I guess my points could be that in my opinion, a great, or even good screen is one that you don't need to sit directly in the middle of to still experience excellent quality. Sony VAIO notebooks I guess can be a hit or miss experience like any other notebook but are usually better than most from what I've seen.
     
  5. zvo

    zvo Notebook Enthusiast

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    So I don't have that protector but I will order one anti-glare to avoid headaches. Although I agree it is a matter of personal preferences and situations.


    I have the display default configuration using "Equilibrated mode".
    In my home, I have the typical yellow and low light, similar to this:
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    in this situation the automatic bright VAIO becomes an horrible thing, because display becomes too dark for work. I'm forced to up bright until maxim or to create a personalized mode in "Advanced" using another parameters. Anyway, because the display is glossy, to get a good result I need a lot of bright, and it is not comfortable for texts tasks.


    However, in the following situation the glossy display it's excellent and not so bad for texts tasks, precisely because the automatic regulation:
    [​IMG]

    so I think for situation 1, the only problem is the glossy display.


    in the S the bright can be very high. I suspect a matte screen can be really nice. I will install a silicon filter to test that.

    I understand you. I know it depends also of personal needs. Normally I don't use the laptop under the Sun. Always inside offices, pubs, airports, etc.. These situations with artificial light are much more frequent to me. Glossy display of S works very well, EXCEPT with low light levels. ANY glossy display causes headaches in such situations, it is not a VAIO S problem. On the contrary, I think this glossy display is much better than competence.

    Just I note the matte screen is much better to expend hours in front text, programming, etc. Under the sun any option can have problems:

    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]

    I think Sony can join the Apple politics, who were forced to offer again the matte display because the pressure of many users.
    Marketing of expensive laptops "for business" can be quite contradictory with offering a display mainly designed for games and multimedia. I think so.

    best,
     
  6. jblanteigne

    jblanteigne Notebook Consultant

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    What about Canada? There are plenty of CW i3 in stores but I can't find a single SR anywhere in stores, salesman told me that they only have it on CTO and I couldn't see a S serie anywhere even if it's only out tmrw..

    I don't want that crappy low end i5, I want the faster one so I'll probably order my S serie on the website. anyone knows when its gonna be available?

    The canadian sony site doesn't even offer the SR series...
     
  7. snip3r_3

    snip3r_3 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Actually the i5 520M (2.4ghz) is faster than a 3.0ghz C2D, well at least it beats my old rig at doing WinRar and 06 CPU score.

    @ zvo

    I understand you :p I guess I didn't notice because I turned off automatic brightness since day one.
     
  8. jblanteigne

    jblanteigne Notebook Consultant

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    its that much faster? Damn.. well I was thinking of getting the 2.4 or 2.53..

    I know lots of people want the best spec because they want the highest number.. but I actually need a laptop for live performances for both video and audio... with several softwares are once.. i'm gonna use that turbo boost...
     
  9. hippyju

    hippyju Newbie

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    Does anyone know if the VPCS11V5E is dual core? I'm going to order the sameone as steve78 "Black, backlit keyboard, i5-540M 2.53GHz, 320GB 7200RPM, GeForce 310M"

    Thank, Julie
     
  10. ota-con

    ota-con Notebook Deity

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    Yes it's dual core.
     
  11. jblanteigne

    jblanteigne Notebook Consultant

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    if the cpu is i5-540 it's a dual core. This is a very good cpu.

    Where did you see this laptop advertized? I'd like to a webpage or something because it's what I'd like to buy.. with 7200rpm hdd.. and 4gb of ram I guess.
     
  12. snip3r_3

    snip3r_3 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Turbo boost only works when you have one thread heavily loaded while the other core and HT threads are idling. It will not turbo boost if you load more than 2 threads. They did this so that it remains within it's TDP while helping out older applications to perform better on multi-core CPUs.

    Live performances should do fine, the CPU is definately up to task but you would need a relatively fast HD to be able to quickly stream all that data without choking.

    Regarding the performance, it is unfortunate that Core Tweaker doesn't work (never designed for mobile computers...), I find it funny how I got RAM rated at 7-7-7-20 but its running at 8-7-7-20...
     
  13. jblanteigne

    jblanteigne Notebook Consultant

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    Hmm thx for the infos on how turboboost works.

    Where can I get my S serie Sony machine???

    I definitely want the 2.4ghz or 2.53ghz cpu.. with 4gb of ram (best ram/price ratio) and I'd rather have a 7200rpm hdd rather than 5400rpm no matter what the sizes are as long as it's over 250.. I already have tons of hdd space everywhere so I'll be alright with a small one... finally, no gpu is fine as long as it means I get more battery life.

    The thing is, I can't find such machine!! Only one I saw so far is on the bestbuy website and it's available since today...

    Sony websites don't say anything about these machines, they don't even have this serie.. they only have the old SR.
     
  14. daneel3001

    daneel3001 Notebook Evangelist

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    Called Sony and I'm receiving my S-Series CTO this Monday.
    They confirmed that UK CTOs are built in Japan, then shipped to Netherlands and then here to the UK, that's a long way.
     
  15. toplap12

    toplap12 Notebook Consultant

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    Can someone please post pics of their S series! :)
     
  16. jblanteigne

    jblanteigne Notebook Consultant

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    you're from UK?

    DAmnit when are they arriving to us/canada?
     
  17. ota-con

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    Could someone please post battery times with the S equipped with the NVIDIA GPU. Pics would be nice too. Thanks!
     
  18. Solinx

    Solinx Notebook Consultant

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    Ugh... nice how there is still no S-series CTO available in the Netherlands.
     
  19. hippyju

    hippyju Newbie

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    Hello,

    Thank you for the info!

    The link for S series VPCS11V5E is here:
    http://www.sony.co.uk/product/vn-s-series

    Click on where it says '2 products found' and from there you can customise it to the desired spec.
     
  20. jblanteigne

    jblanteigne Notebook Consultant

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    Oh thanks... Seeing the specs, it's exactly what I want to buy, except I'm in Canada.. I'd also expect a lower price tag than what you got in uk.
     

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