*Official* nVidia GTX 10xx Series notebook discussion thread

Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Orgrimm, Aug 15, 2016.

  1. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Undervolting works best for heavy CPU loads, and has only a marginal effect on light loads. As the CPU load increases the reduced voltage on the CPU has a greater effect on reducing thermal output.

    Cinebench is a case that would benefit from undervolting, longer running CPU jobs would benefit even more.

    With MSI / Asus laptops you don't need to repaste 99.99% of the time to get full performance from even the OC'd 7820HK at 4.5ghz with raised power limits.

    For those rare occasions where an undervolt isn't enough to drop the CPU load temps far enough to stop thermal throttling, you return the laptop to the vendor and get another unit.

    Why go through all the effort to re-paste when it's the vendor / makers job to do a good job when the laptop was built? We pay a lot of money for these laptops to work at their best right out of the box, and if it doesn't, return it for one that does.

    It's not the buyers responsibility to get the thermals in order out of the box, and it's well outside the comfort zone for most people to pull apart their brand new $XXXX laptop to fix it themselves.

    Even for those that are comfortable with DIY work, common sense should step in and stop you. Who wants to risk losing their investment on an expensive purchase, or waste the time re-pasting over and over a few times until you get it just so.

    Undervolting is enough, and if it isn't, get another laptop. :)
     
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    hfm Notebook Virtuoso

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    I agree, it should have quality TIM applied from the factory and correctly. But we've all seen time and time again how sometimes reapplying top shelf TIM can make a difference. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. Sucks.
     
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    Commandor Notebook Consultant

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    Is there a 1090 coming soon for laptops?
     
  4. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    It usually is possible to improve temps by re-pasting, but it's rarely necessary was my point. Undervolting drops temps enough on it's own to stop thermal throttling, and that's all you really need to do to run at best performance.

    Reducing temps further is a fun game unto itself, but not required. :)
     
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  5. Papusan

    Papusan BGABOOKS = That sucks!! STAHP! Dont buy FILTH...

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    Another new throttlemonster from Micro$oft... Microsoft Surface Book 2 Convertible Review (Core i7-8650U - GTX 1050). Price: 2249 Euro or 2653.25 U.S. dollars

    "Contrary to previous assumptions, the processor in the smaller Surface Book 2 is not limited to 15W. According to the tool Intel XTU, the power limits are 35W for short workloads and even up to 25W for the long term. The system can make use of that, at least for limited periods, which explains the good Cinebench multi score of 673 points. However, the temperatures will quickly rise (up to 99 °C), which results in a performance reduction. The result quickly drops to the range between 500-540 points, which is a drop between 20-25%."
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    Opinion: It's time we talked about throttling in reviews

    Edit... More news regarding Micro$haft's new throttlebook.
    Surface Book 2 suffers from performance throttling, charging abnormalities, and slower response times-NBC.net

    Microsoft's Surface Book 2 has a power problem-pcworld.com
    "We didn't expect the Surface Book 2 to drain its battery while plugged in, but it did when we played 3D games."

     
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    Falkentyne Notebook Deity

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    Microsoft Throttlebook ™
     
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  7. Papusan

    Papusan BGABOOKS = That sucks!! STAHP! Dont buy FILTH...

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    The Jokebooks from Medion™ is not much better... Test Medion Erazer X7857 (i7-7820HK - GTX 1070)

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    "Here comes the train, which has already indicated in the loop: The clock of all 4 cores is throttled very quickly and can not exhaust its full clock potential."

    Nice with an unlocked mobile i7.
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    "Unfortunately, it looks significantly worse in the internal hardware measurements: the graphics card heats up to about 84 degrees Celsius, but the CPU to over 90 degrees. Therefore, the latter is also throttled quickly, because in the first few minutes, the temperature increases alarmingly.
    From then on, the CPU temperatures remain at a constant high 96 degrees Celsius! Over the long term, this can no longer be classified as completely harmless for the durability of the processor; at HWInfo, all values above 90 degrees Celsius are displayed as red. Despite the loud fans, the CPU heats up too much, so Medion urgently needs to improve! So it is no wonder that the clock rates are drastically lowered. But even that seems insufficient to help against the high core temperatures. The clock leveled after about an hour at about 2.1/2.2 GHz."
     
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