Official Coffee Lake Refresh Thread/BIOS for ALL Clevo Laptops - RTX CARDS NOW SUPPORTED

Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by DaMafiaGamer, Oct 25, 2018.

  1. DaMafiaGamer

    DaMafiaGamer Notebook Deity

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    This is exactly what I'm trying to stop, I'm sure @dsanke understands this. He asked me to upload the bios's and I agreed because I believe that no matter what people should be able to utilize the laptops they have to their full ability (and it didn't sit right with me that I have a perfectly working p870dm-g running a 8700k whilst others are stuck with a crappy 6700k).

    I believe people can have nice things but with boundaries in place and I think it should always be this way, you shouldn't have to pay for an unlocked bios. But that's just my opinion :)

    This is one of the main reasons I upload all my modifications here, not for the fame but so it can help others lol.
     
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  2. Rahego

    Rahego Notebook Consultant

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    @joluke and as we are aware - that is why prema is not not available for everyone. And in my opinion it's fine. That's why i also called it "product".

    Buying whole new machine just because available BIOS is not plug and play - that is just ridiculous. As we all know - this machines are not ice creams. They cost lots and can brake. People here lives all around world. Justifying everything because of software is silly. Most of peps will take something close to em. That is why making software for clevo machines around world is great in business perspective.

    @John@OBSIDIAN-PC anyway, it was just a though from customer point of view. I guess you know better as guy on the other side.

     
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  3. John@OBSIDIAN-PC

    John@OBSIDIAN-PC Company Representative

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    I totally salute you for that! Im the same and I would do the same.

    BUT it's hard to separate myself from my brand, that's the only reason.
    Whatever I do can damage my brand/company, it's really not a pride thing, it's not a money thing, it's the people that work with or for me that I care, my brand IS them. And I need to make good decisions for them, I already made too many bad ones.

    I'm a sucker and an awful business man I hate it to the gut, that's why business decisions are made mostly by my partner who does most of managing.

    I just like to create stuff, code stuff, design stuff, build PCs whatever. BUT i need to learn the lesson, I can't use company hours to code free stuff, I can't give away free stuff, I can't have my staff do support for non-clients.

    Releasing BIOS like you did is fine when you are doing a community service AS IS on your own terms and name. NOT when you are here representing a company where you need to think about your team first.

    I will always try to do and release stuff that reaches the most amount of people, but with a decent amount of planning and thinking.


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  4. John@OBSIDIAN-PC

    John@OBSIDIAN-PC Company Representative

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    Making Software for Clevo Computers is really an awful business strategy.... Trust me on that.

    You can't have a serious company depending on the income from that. We keep doing it because we sell the laptops and we believe it makes our product better along with the BIOS and assembly techniques and testing.

    We never expected people to buy our laptops because of the software, we expect people to come to us because of everything extra we do, we try to go to the extreme in everything and software is just one part of it.

    In resume whatever "extra" stuff I do, I'm just saying I would need to be 100% sure it would not take company time and it would not be linked to the company. I Probably should already have a non company representative account so I can post on my behalf... That's probably the way to go when I think about it.

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  5. philstopford

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    I'm still kind of sad that I'm stuck with ancient firmware because the vendor won't support secondary owners, and the BIOS files provided kindly by dsanke leave my machine stuck on a black screen. From asking around, it looks like Origin never issued a firmware update of any kind after shipping the machines. So I remain 'stuck' with a 6700K in my P750DM2G, until the machine eventually stops working.

    I wish I could understand whether I'm doing something wrong, though. I'm unclear on what might be lost (if anything) by trying to apply the stock Clevo BIOS to this machine, as well.
     
  6. DARCODER

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    I agreed with you and your point of view. That's why i always share my work or credit my research if i was helped with approbation. I even recently share how to mod a bios for all p870 and near future clevo still using Ami bios.
    I discuss with Dsanke who explain me how to edit the bios to make available the rtx without the need to .inf driver mod but the problem we still don't know how prema did to make it work in a bios update file. I can't test because i dont have rtx right know.
    I always share my work but more i share the tutorial how to do everything from ourself for self education and proudness because i totally don't care about my name credited or not even if my research stolen or not. I didnt continue to buy alienware systems because of their lock policies and not freedom upgrade. I see clevo is going to the same road so maybe this p870 will be my last clevo because even if i understand their need of ingrow business, they forgot other brands are still good and comparable with locked policies. And mostly the clevo buyers are modder or overclocker. Before i wasnt asking myself if i could upgrade gpu or display or extra mod, now at each new clevo less and less are plug&play upgradeable.
    Then about the bios mod section, i totally agree of sharing knowledge but even if i totally respect Prema great work, i don't agree about is method of beeing able to have his bios work. His activity seem illegal, for example he mod the clevo bios freeshare work. To have his mod, the major way is to buy to a sellor list where this is unfair competition compared to others companies. Because if we ask the majority of people, even myself, i would prefer buying a prema bios clevo, than clevo locked bios. Then to access his bios, you have to buy from a prema reseller list, you cant receive it just by asking or downloading for free, at least from a majority. So he mod, even taking a lot of time but the access of his work is restricted, the easy way to have it is to buy a clevo to his partner list, so it's like assuming we pay his work and company make profit of his work and name. So again at least in europe is not legal. But who cares about legality on this forum...the eyes are closed and free sharing work in a forum is dying slowly. Hopefully there are still some good members who share their discovering and this make me stay on this forum to thanks them to enjoy more our clevo, help by members knowledges. Free knowledges for education purpose.
     
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    Odd that it leaves with black screen did you flash the proper gpu vbios located in the files?

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  8. TheDantee

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    I wouldn't mind paying for an unlocked bios with features. I Got my P870DM-G Bios modded by someone on the MSI Forums for like 20$ with all features unlocked since I couldn't get my hands on the Prema Bios which is unfortunate, however he has the rights to share his own work how he sees fit. Unfortunately Clevo does not seem to want to acknowledge its high end platforms customer base and what they want. I Personally would love to see an updated P570WM on the LGA 2066 Platform... With MXM no longer becoming a standard form factor and being plug and play like it was designed to be its becoming near impossible for MXM Laptops to become upgradable (remember the MSI GT80 Return Program because of a change in form factor) I personally wish the design was still the same to keep systems like the M17X R4 and M18X R2 still Around with GTX 1080. Without awesome mods like @dsanke bios mod for 8700k and 9900k support all our older DM2/3 and KM Models would still be stuck running 6700k and 7700k as clevo refuses to add its own bios updates which enables support. Without Having a community behind these system they will undoubtedly die out which is why I don't like how Premas Bios is Private as these are great systems and we would all love to tap into the full potential of them. However as I said before he is his own person and may do as he wishes. I'm not even against paying someone for the work and time they put into the project but again it's not available for purchase only through resellers unfortunately. Clevo themselves are not helping their own systems much either by changing the form factor and not even sticking it. The 2080 has issues like lacking an NVLink Connector and has a default lower TDP than the 1080 MXM did but Clevo themselves couldn't even place things like VRMs in the same place or make the card even close to compatible with old heatsinks... That's not user friendly... Their are killing their own systems! MXM Used to be so Plug and Play look at 680M and 980M VRMs are in the same place the die is in the same place Ram same place to allow for easy upgrades. What's the point of updating your form factor to a larger size but not even using it effectively? Then you have companies like MSI that have no idea what they are doing with their MXM Form Factor releasing all these wonky looking cards that can't be interchanged with each at all the 1080 die was in a totally different position! The 2080 is a totally new design to. Finally we have comapnies like Dell - _- they claim that MXM never took off (because companies Dell stopped using it - _-) so they decided to make DGFF and back out of the current MXM Systems that are on the Market! Great... - _- So only Dells gpus will work on their systems and if we look at something like an M17X R4 which can handle up to a 1070... We probably will never see that again Dell can make the GPUs work for older systems but after 2 or 3 generations why bother when you could just say "oh didn't work/didn't fit" or "ran to hot in testing so won't be compatible" and since it's DGFF you have 0 other options to replace it with. They control what upgrades you will receive and be able to use. If people stopped Using PCI-E X16 or we started having specific company form factors everywhere dop you think motherboards would be still loaded with PCI=E Slots? No so it's dumb to create DGFF and make things even more complicated for people in the upgradable market space. Alienware/Dell is a Large Company so they system of course got alot of traction as being an upgradable system compared to a Clevo so I'm somewhat hoping it does sell well for new people entering this market so we hopefully see MXM or some other UNIVERSAL Form Factor in most laptops again but I doubt we will ever see that since everyone wants these thin and lights these days. Thin Laptops have improved alot but a 2080 MAX-Q is still just GTX 1070 levels of Performance and lacks any relative cooling capacity for any "real" overclocks to increase performance. I dont have an issue with people owning thin and lights but would like companies to still continue manufacturing for both markets DTR and Thin and Lights, however most companies including Clevo are more interested in producing whats the latest trend to maximize on Profit, which is understandable from a business perspective, however they will not beat companies like MSI or ASUS in the fan bases they have. If I had to choose between an ASUS BGA Book and Clevo BGA Book I'd take the ASUS I've used ASUS Mobos in Desktops since my first custom desktop (besides the Dual Xeon Build in my Sig) and would stick to ASUS still, and I'm sure im not the only one which is where companies like Clevo will lose badly I think. Back to the Topic of your post though (Kinda got carried away lol..) without a Community Backing these Systems they would;n't have lasted as long as they Have which is why i think the Projects and Mods people do on these Systems Should be Shared with the Community like @Mr. Fox GTX 1080 Mod for the DM-G and like @dsanke 8700k/9900k Bios for the P870 Lineup @AHMED KARAM and im sure many others (only one IK who has the mod I could name off the top of my head) and his 4th Fan mod to the P870TM or @tanzmeister SLI GTX 1070 with the MSI Cards in a P870DM-G I could go on and on... without threads like these how else would we be able to know how to things like these working or even know if its do-able and worth spending the money on trying?
     
  9. clevo-extreme

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    That was long but true

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  10. philstopford

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    Yes, I did. The only BIOS that works in it is the backup that I took initially. Even programming with the hardware programmer causes a black screen at boot. I tried multiple times, no dice. What I have *not* done is to flash the EC because, based on this experience, the likelihood would be that the laptop breaks, and fixing the EC looks well beyond my capabilities and certainly lies outside my comfort zone. Since I'm also located in upstate NY, there doesn't appear to be a reasonably close and friendly expert that I could refer to in case things went wrong.
     
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