*** Official Clevo X170SM-G/Sager NP9670M Owner's Lounge ***

Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by Rahego, Jan 10, 2020.

Tags:
  1. Rahego

    Rahego Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    71
    Messages:
    257
    Likes Received:
    134
    Trophy Points:
    56
    i wish clevo could drop out AMD version in this chassis. Intel is beaten and pretty much over for now.

    AMD also claim that they will have double performance in new GPU. Let's hope that we will see monster from clevo with team red stuff.


    • GeForce RTX 2080 Ti (Turing TU102)—13.45 TFLOPs
    • Radeon RX Vega 64 (Vega 10)—12.66 TFLOPs
    • Xbox Series X (Navi - RDNA 2)—12 TFLOPs
    • GeForce RTX 2080 Super (Turing TU104)—11.15 TFLOPs
    • Radeon RX Vega 56 (Vega 10)—10.54 TFLOPs
    • GeForce RTX 2080 (Turing TU104)—10.07 TFLOPs
    • Radeon RX 5700 XT (Navi 10)—9.754 TFLOPs
    • GeForce RTX 2070 Super (Turing TU104)—9.062 TFLOPs
    • Radeon RX 5700 (Navi 10 XL)—7.949 TFLOPs
    • GeForce RTX 2070 (Turing TU106)—7.465 TFLOPs
    • GeForce RTX 2060 Super (Turing TU106)—7.181 TFLOPs
    • GeForce RTX 2060 (Turing TU106)—6.451 TFLOPs
     
  2. yrekabakery

    yrekabakery Notebook Virtuoso

    Reputations:
    1,179
    Messages:
    3,081
    Likes Received:
    3,007
    Trophy Points:
    331
    TFLOPS is a terrible measurement of real-world GPU performance.

    In actual order of performance:
    2080 Ti
    2080S
    2080 / XSX (?)
    2070 Super
    2070 / 5700 XT
    2060S
    2060 / 5700
    V64
    V56
     
  3. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

    Reputations:
    9,027
    Messages:
    55,900
    Likes Received:
    16,509
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Yep, pipeline utilisation is very important, just look at the VLIW V which could waste 80% of the available processing power.
     
    joluke likes this.
  4. jc_denton

    jc_denton BGA? What a shame.

    Reputations:
    9,690
    Messages:
    2,765
    Likes Received:
    5,162
    Trophy Points:
    531
    Chances are that 2080S MXM will also be clock limited to 2100Mhz.
     
  5. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

    Reputations:
    9,027
    Messages:
    55,900
    Likes Received:
    16,509
    Trophy Points:
    931
    I'm more interested in the next generation chips now.
     
    raz8020, Papusan and joluke like this.
  6. Papusan

    Papusan JOKEBOOKs Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on FILTHY

    Reputations:
    33,337
    Messages:
    27,138
    Likes Received:
    50,451
    Trophy Points:
    931
    This apply for both the Cpu and Gpu chips. 2080 Super and Comet is Dead End. Will have a short life.
     
    raz8020 and electrosoft like this.
  7. Papusan

    Papusan JOKEBOOKs Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on FILTHY

    Reputations:
    33,337
    Messages:
    27,138
    Likes Received:
    50,451
    Trophy Points:
    931
    The Intel Z490 Overview: 44+ Motherboards Examined anandtech.com | Today

    This is but one example, but depending on memory support, power support, graphics support - all of these mean that motherboard manufacturers can take Z490 in one of two ways. The one that most vendors seem to be doing is to make their boards hybrids - suitable for both Comet and Rocket, but not really mastering one. For users intending to upgrade mid-cycle without a motherboard change, these hybrid designs are probably best. The second option is to make specific boards for the specific chips, despite technically supporting both: making the Z490 the best board it can be for Comet Lake, and then some future board (Z590?) being the best board for Rocket Lake. Personally, I prefer the latter, because I'd like the best out of my processor. However, prices of the best motherboards are matching (or even surpassing) that of the processor, which makes the quandary a little more complex than on first glance.

    As I said in my previous post... "Will Clevo make it PCIe Gen 4.0 ready? Or will they force the people over on a possible Z590 motherboard? Aka force them over on new laptop if they want PCIe Gen 4.0".

    This will be fun follow up when we will see Rocket coming up. Clevo may do the same as they did with the machines with Z370. Keep it and totally skip Z390 motherboards. The cheapest way to hold down costs. Aka make their boards hybrids as in the anandtech articles.



    Intel’s 10th Gen Comet Lake for Desktops: Skylake-S Hits 10 Cores and 5.3 GHz anandtech.com | Today

    One big thing that users will want to know about is PCIe 4.0. Some of the motherboards being announced today state that they will support PCIe 4.0 with future generations of Intel products. At present Comet Lake is PCIe 3.0 only, however the motherboard vendors have essentially confirmed that Intel’s next generation desktop product, Rocket Lake, will have some form of PCIe 4.0 support.

    Now it should be stated that for the motherboards that do support PCIe 4.0, they only support it on the PCIe slots and some (very few) on the first M.2 storage slot. This is because the motherboard vendors have had to add in PCIe 4.0 timers, drivers, and redrivers in order to enable future support. The extra cost of this hardware, along with the extra engineering/low loss PCB, means on average an extra $10 cost to the end-user for this feature that they cannot use yet. The motherboard vendors have told us that their designs conform to PCIe 4.0 specifications, but until Intel starts distributing samples of Rocket Lake CPUs, they cannot validate it except to the strict specification. (This also means that Intel has not distributed early Rocket Lake silicon to the MB vendors yet.)

    -------------------------------------------------------

    What Intel now will offer is too thin to make a change.

    AMD claims to have a global market share greater than 50% in the Premium CPU segment
    By Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 04/30/2020
    [​IMG]
    During its last earnings report, AMD confirmed that it has had 10 successive quarters of growth, and that its global market share in the premium CPU segment has already exceeded 50%.

    Read more
     
    Last edited: Apr 30, 2020
    raz8020 likes this.
  8. cj_miranda23

    cj_miranda23 Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    334
    Messages:
    567
    Likes Received:
    537
    Trophy Points:
    106
    Intel had to go power-crazy to create the 'world's fastest gaming processor'
    The i9 10900K beats both the AMD Ryzen 9 3950X and the i9 9900KS... by drawing ungodly amounts of power.
    https://www.pcgamer.com/intel-had-to-go-power-crazy-to-create-the-worlds-fastest-gaming-processor/

    So, how does Intel manage to get its 4.8GHz all-core processor to out-perform its last-gen 5GHz CPU, especially when in all the latest Comet Lake marketing material the company is making a big deal about how frequency is far more important than core count?

    It throws an ungodly amount of power at the chip so it doesn't decide to throttle back on the potential Turbo opportunities of the Comet Lake CPU.

    In the system configurations slide at the back of the latest press deck Intel says it set the PL2, the short-term power limit, at 250W. That's twice the base TDP of the Comet Lake chip, almost twice the base TDP of the 9900KS, and nearly 100W higher than that Coffee Lake processor's suggested PL2 rating.

    Intel also set the Tau, the set amount of time the chip will draw that much power, at 56 seconds just so it could beat the rest. Given that there's no information offered as to what the 9900KS was sat at we can assume it was running at the recommended 159W PL2 level and 28 second Tau.

    With all that taken into consideration you can see how Intel is touting the 10900K as 'the world's fastest gaming processor' even though you've got to put a bit of effort, and a whole lot of power, to get it running like that.

    I wonder how can this be cooled by the current and latest clevo heatsink.
     
    Papusan and raz8020 like this.
  9. TheUberMedic

    TheUberMedic Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    26
    Messages:
    366
    Likes Received:
    123
    Trophy Points:
    56
    It's simple. It can't without massive thermal throttling.
     
  10. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

    Reputations:
    9,027
    Messages:
    55,900
    Likes Received:
    16,509
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Remember routing is harder and more expensive in notebooks. Plus there is practically no benefit to people for it.
     
Loading...

Share This Page