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  1. Papusan

    Papusan JOKEBOOKs Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on FILTHY

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    Sure. The engineers have full access to new hardware when they determine what cooling is needed. They aren't blind. Only cheapo or just blinded by own stupidity! Pick what you want.

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    Lenovo has made the ThinkPad X1 Extreme worse
    With the second generation of the X1 Extreme there are new CPUs, a new GPU and more choice of displays. However, the new model performs worse than its predecessor, especially when it comes to processor performance.


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    Dangerously hot: Almost 70 ° C case temperature on the ThinkPad E15

    None forced Azor and Dell going fully retarded with soldered Cpu and Graphics 2014/15 for their gaming flagship. Thinnest possible was the goal. Hence they got rid of the upgrade paths the Aw brand was known for. And we all know how this went. The performance enthusiasts jumped off the ship before leaving the dock. And never looked back. I wonder what brand will be the next.
     
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    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Whatever you want to call it, if you have need of something then you need to go what's best for you. It's up to you decide the criteria of that.
     
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    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist

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    We probably agree on more than what we disagree on. Zen hasn't been a success in the laptop space as far as I can see though. That's really only true in the desktop space, and the degree of success varies by who you ask and what you're measuring. But, yes, Intel did get caught with their pants on the ground... no question there. AMD is only just now kind of/sort of starting to try to enter the laptop arena, and they're not really doing it with any enthusiast-grade hardware. Mostly low-end consumer stuff, and not even very much of that.
     
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    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    AMD laser targeted and focussed on good execution in the markets that made sense. It's the only strategy with limited resources against a giant. I'm expecting a big push on notebooks with the APU 7nm chips.
     
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    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist

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    Probably so. It would make sense to see a push on them because becoming relevant in the notebook space will be an important step toward ensuring their survival. Those are very weak on the graphics side, so they will only be suitable for low-end products or slightly better products when paired with a discrete GPU. I really do not expect them to make a push toward offering anything special in the enthusiast niche on the mobile side of things. I suspect they are going to target the low-cost notebook market since it is massive compared to everything else. Probably will target product lines like Dell Inspiron, Acer Aspire and HP Pavilion. Those are the products the masses impulsively gobble up like candy at places that do not even offer high-end notebooks, like Best Buy, Target and Walmart. It would not surprise me to see AMD-powered Chromebooks as well.
     
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    ssj92 Neutron Star

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    Also one factor is probbaly since the M18xR2 was the last true flagship with AW 18 being the nail in the coffin. Everyone was super excited for a comeback in the DTR space after so many years.

    The P570WM was on a whole different level. HEDT CPUs and it was back then when designs weren't as nice. P870DM series probably sold much better but they were now mainstream CPUs.

    Alienware also sells a lot more volume probably so that's another factor.
     
  7. skandal

    skandal Notebook Consultant

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    Probably they shouldn't have updated to gen 10 CPUs. But imagine being brand with an enterprise model that has a previous gen CPU, they wouldn't sell. Not everyone can be Apple :p

    Intel did, when they retired socket mobile CPUs. That and market pressure to have thin and light machines.
     
  8. Meaker@Sager

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    Now imagine the p570wm had no major hardware difference except the better cooling and imagine how much less it would have sold.
     
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    They need the apu side of things for power even in higher end machines.

    Having integrated graphics let's you do switching, you can get away without a south bridge perhaps and you can focus the whole chip on a lower power envelope.

    They need that to fight Intel in the notebook space.
     
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    Yes this is true. Without it they have no horse in the race. And, the overwhelming majority of people that buy notebooks do not know anything about computers except they want to spend as little as possible for something they consider to be nice looking yet non-descript (not flashy or weird colors) that they can use for web surfing, email and using office productivity apps. Most have never even heard of benching or overclocking and their idea of gaming does not closely resemble what gamers play. Paying $500 for a notebook is a big deal for them and it is an upgrade from their antique low-end laptop, phone or $50 Amazon Fire tablet. Most are going to be happy because today's cheapest turdbooks cost about half what they paid for the cheapest thing they could get their hands on five to ten years ago that they are replacing today. They also won't know that it is overheating and thermal throttling while web browsing and playing Candy Crush.
     
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