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  1. HTWingNut

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    I'm a bit partial to looks too, but that chrome ring you will never see when using the laptop.

    In any case, I was able to tug at it a little bit and looks like it might come off. Likely leave some holes in the back of the laptop where it clips in though, and probably break it in the process.
     
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    Thanks for heads up.I know it will be in back but i want a stealth look! so its more of a nitpicking thing. I wonder if I could buy a replacement if I did break it... Cause knowing me I'll eventually try getting that sucker off :p
     
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    I can't stand chrome either.

    OT ... but related to notebook aesthetics ...

    You can always tell an older aged owner of a newer generation Corvette when they get chrome wheels, possibly even chrome aftermarket accessories. Younger aged owners have either metallic paints or dark wheels and other trims, without any chrome.

    To each his own though ...
    - http://www.stingrayforums.com/forum...vette-hre-wheels-stingray-corvette-wheels.jpg
    - http://www.corvette7.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=479971&d=1361062215

    Although going the other way, while I think the red stripe on black wheels is "kinda cool" (2015 Z51 Pacific Performance Package), it coulud easily could be a "fad" too.
    - http://www.chevycorvette.com/news/w...-stingray-z51-pacific-performance-package.jpg

    It's been used in notebooks as well, along with LED, and I really don't see the point, externally. For internal lighting in a vehicle, that's a different story, it has a good function (non-blinding illumination), just like for a keyboard on a notebook. The choice of LED color gives a little user preference too, something I'd like to see more in notebooks too.
     
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    ????

    Not where I live, and I live the "Motor City". In any case, I'm not a big fan of Chrome, but as long as it's used sparingly for highlights I don't care really.

    If you want, just take a Sharpie to it and call it a day.
     
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    They will come off if you bend it enough :D

    IMG_5270_2.jpg

    :(

    And yes, it did snap back on fairly securely once I took the bottom cover off and reattached it.

    Someone had one of those parked outside the UPS center when I picked up my laptop yesterday morning! Wasn't there when I dropped it back off for the RMA, unfortunately. I don't usually care for Corvettes, but the new design is a lot cooler looking than before.

    This, or maybe painting it, might be a good way to go. If you can pop it off first, then maybe sand it a bit to rough up the chrome and give the paint something to stick to, then you could paint it with a good enamel and then reattach it so you aren't left with unsightly holes. It is rather small and I suspect fragile, though, so you'd have to be careful.
     
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    Isn't MythLogic right over in Ann Arbor from you?

    With that said ...
    - LT1/LT4 are Tonawanda, NY
    - 8L90** is Toledo, OH, and ...
    - Final assembly continues to be Bowling Green, KY (since '82)

    **Disclaimer: If you go manual (TR6070), then you get Tremec like most everyone else uses in the industry for high torque applications, although the up+down rev-match design is a GM-exclusive additive in the powertrain (at least for now).

    Whether it's chrome or LEDs, I really don't care for the highlights ... externally.

    That's like spray painting wheels. Instead, I'd like a custom option from the factory, like GM does for the kids v. geezers. ;)
     
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    All OT ...

    The '15 Z51 with the Pacific Peformance Package? Or just a generic C7 ('14+)? I'll have to check with Harland, but I didn't think the Pacific Performance Package was available for the 2015 Z51 yet, although it's now after the SEMA show. Harland said sometime after, but the last time I talked to him was the (Edited) NCM Bash at the end of April.

    The new design is for maximum downforce and handling, from the chassis up, through the body, including engine-tranny-related center-of-gravity, the up exhaust of the radiator, etc... Ironically this is reducing the top speed of the Corvette, from over 200mph prior (even the base models did 190-something) to 180-something in the best aerokits (e.g., C7 Z06 w/Z07 package), because of inherent downforce in the body.

    The C4 ('84-'96) was actually the best aero for top speed (and it had to be because they cut the power from the prior C3, for fuel economy), and Callaway (who still does the C6/C7.R GT3 for Blancpain GT series) did a slight modification, along with twin turbos, and achieved 254mph back in 1987. That record held for a "production" car ("production" is loose because the only made so many dozen), until the Bugatti Veyron (although it too has a very limited "production" run) for almost for 20 years.

    Virtually all of the designs today were learned from racing in the Le Mans series. The 2015 Z06 design today is the basis for the French-based ACO-FIA sanctioned GT sports car in 2014+, and Pratt-Miller didn't have to modify the chassis or body at all for added stiffness or downforce, which is unheard of for the higher GT classes.

    Understand the C5 ('97-04) was designed before GM started sports car racing, of which Doug Fehan is more than ready to bash (e.g., "cat whiskers for intakes"). Corvette was outlawed by GM executives for various reasons (including liability) from racing for almost 40 years after Zora did it "on his own time/money" in the early '60s, even to the irony of stopping Zora at the same time an executive gave C2 prototype bodies to Carol Shelby.

    The C6 ('05-'13) was an evolutionary refit of the C5, using a lot of the same, base components, but drastically transferring everything GM learned from racing under ACO-FIA sanctioned classes from '99-04. The, now very dated, LS7 became infamous for never blowing in a single race, and taking home many international awards.

    The C7 is Tadge finally being able to go radical ... right down to the exotic chassis w/tooling, as well as actually putting in aluminum and carbon fiber instead faux in places and other things. That would have never happened had GM not gone bankrupt and the US GAO telling GM executives to "get the heck out of the way of your most profitable product." Yes, GM had all the metrics, but never looked at them ... until the US government came in and showed them how they were being stupid. GM actually came close to ending the Corvette line after the C4 ('84-'96), and it took a lot of good people who had "dealt with the madness" for decades, to change things, which finally did happen after the bankruptcy and the general smack down the GAO gave GM on the extremely profitable Corvette.

    The chassis alone brings the economies-of-scale down, which allowed the C7 to have a chassis and body design that didn't cost more than the C6, while being better (and cheaper) than the C6 Z06 Carbon and ZR1 special editions. I.e., there are a lot racing teams drooling to get the C7.R "hand-me-downs" from GM because they cannot build a chassis so cheaply that is so light and so stiff, let alone with the tooling required to maintain. Economies-of-scale is everything when you have a product in a 30-50K volume/year, instead of only a few hundred.

    Again, Pratt-Miller didn't have to change a thing in the chassis or body to get better handling for downforce. They only added the non-street legal off-body aero effects to get >2G, as do other FIA GT classes. Most of what GM has to deal with is US DoT regulations for street use, although some are just dumb. Talk to Tadge sometime and he'll talk about it. This includes the 5mph "bumper" that "Jezza" loves to flex, a design specifically to pass US DoT tests.

    And they finally addressed the God awful interior, which wasn't different from a Cobalt other than some faux aluminum and faux carbon fiber (now all real in the C7). In fact, GM's blind test in Europe between the 911, GT-R, R8 and C7 produced some eye opening results. Nearly 9 out of 10 people didn't like the 911's plastic, when the Porsche crest was removed, and even recognized the lack of a logo shocked them when they found out what it was. The R8 fared 2nd best, to the (still then unrevealed) C7 interior (which 1 out of 2 people preferred). I met Brian (who is young) who did the design back in early 2013, and he had to fight to get the interior changed, but he's glad he did, especially with the industry awards.

    2018 will see the introduction of the C7 ZR1 with a mid-engine, which GM is being forced to consider for both keeping the rear wheels on the ground with the massive, low RPM torque in the LT series (50/50 weight balance is great for handling, but not apply power), along with a front KERS/electric hybrid solution. Right now there's no room in the front for such, so they are using the mid-generation ZR1 to toy with it. Although it's going to cost over $150K because of the sheer mechanical complexity, which Tadge has warned about for years (e.g., $15K for transmission alone).

    If the design is successful, the C8 (2020 or so) would be the shift to mid-engine, although the Corvette will move to a 6 figure cost in the base model as a result, instead of mid 5 figures like today. Hence why there are rumors that Corvette may eventually become it's own line and keep the front engine for affordability and cargo space, while the mid-engine becomes a standard model (even if only 1/10th the volume, 4 figures instead of 5 figures), starting with C8.
     
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    Ditto...

    No idea. As I said, I'm not usually a fan of Corvettes, so I don't know all that much about them. What I do know for sure is that it was red and had the black stingray, and I think it had black stripes, but I can't swear to that. The wheels look right, too... but again, that's just going from memory. Edit; looking more at the Chevy website, I feel comfortable saying that it was at a minimum a Z51, although what additional trim level or package, I don't know.

    There were a couple of other guys in the parking lot all drooling over it, too.

    Some cool info there, thanks. I'd love to see a mid-engined 'vette. It feels like what used to be a redneck-only wanna-be supercar is finally growing up and actually becoming one :D
     
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    More OT ...

    You can get the Stingray logo on the hood as a standard option. There is also an aftermarket Jake for the hood that is popular too. Long story short, GM has to license Jake from another party, although they did imprint it on the Blue Devil (C6 ZR1 prototype) air intake with licensing approval.

    Starting with the C6, Harland and Tadge et al. starting making a lot of things very custom and available, and started the full Genuine Corvette Accessories (GCA) line. It's not unheard of for Corvette owners to drop $5-10K just in GCA and related details post-purchase, beyond a good $5K+ in factory options.

    Wait until the '15 Z06 numbers come back from the Nürburgring. In talking to Jim Mero back at the NCM Bash in 2013, he was forward on why the supercharged C6 ZR1 only did about 4 seconds better than the C6 Z06 Carbon Edition, the ZR1 is an off-balanced pig. The C6 Z06 was perfectly balanced, but the C6 ZR1 was not. He hated driving the ZR1 on the Ring compared to the Z06.

    I.e., keep in mind even the '09 C6 ZR1 is essentially still based on a design from 2005, a design never built around the "Blue Devil" concept (which became the ZR1), and now a decade old.

    The C7 was designed to be 50/50 balanced in the supercharged Z06 version, and with more inherent downforce of any car GM has tested on its track ... including a lot of expensive, non-GM exotics. If the "performance balancing" GM has suffered, in the C7.R based on the C7 Z06, at the hands of ACO-FIA/IMSA is any indication (e.g., least fuel, largest restrictor for most of the '14 series, etc...), the new, extremely stiff chassis (production Z06 is 40% more than the C6.R modified GT race car!) and aero downforce, especially in the Z07 performance package, is going to make the Z06 hard to beat in a production, US street legal factory car -- and, again, that's without any off-body aero and other things (often illegal to put on by a factory for sale in the US).

    Everybody does. But nobody wants to pay $50,000 more for it. It also takes away the practical 20 cu. ft. of storage -- cue Danica Patrick trying to pick up her friend at Phoenix Sky Int'l in a Lambo, and she cannot even fit a suitcase in -- and other things that Corvette takes for granted against nearly all supercars, other than the BMW or Mercedez front-engines.

    However, as I mentioned, GM has conceded that A) to keep the wheels on the ground with the industry-leading, extremely highly, low RPM torque band of the pushrod engine, along with B) the need to free up room in the front for hybrid and other equipment coming off the largely front-biased braking, mid-engine is not a matter of "if," but "when."

    So there are very strong, and in some cases, confirmed rumors of a radical ZR1 model mid-C7 around 2018, that may be the basis for the C8. But if that's the case, it will almost double the base cost of a Corvette to almost 6 figures. Indeed, the rumors are the C7 ZR1 with a mid-engine would cost at least $150K.

    The Corvette will never be that "exclusive" car, not even in a mid-engine. It's always that friend American car, where people wave from inside instead of acting like you can't own one. It sells 2x Porsche and 10x+ almost anything else in its class, volume-wise, so it's as far as "exclusive" as you can get. And with the front-engine design, you can be heavy or tall and fit, along with carrying a full suite of luggage in the back (at least the coupe versions).

    That said, the C6 has been beating the crap out of Ferraris, Lambos and others on the 'Ring for quite some time. In fact, it's at the point where sourcing is international, and even some Ferrari's have advanced technology GM-Delphi parts in them. Ferrari just charges $10K for them in some models when they are $2K options (or even standard in some editions) on the Corvette.

    As Jay Leno said about the C6 generation ... "A Corvette is like a Ferrari for 1/3rd the price, and costs the same as a Cobalt to maintain."

    That's also why the C6 was the first model to get Consumer Reports' "Recommended Buy" for the luxury sports car segment. It is very reliable, and even when not, the maintenance costs are nothing in comparison, let alone the resale value is the highest of any Big 3 car. However, the C7 only has 2 parts from the C6, and there have been issues with it. At least the C6 used a lot of proven components from the C5 and didn't have to suffer through some teething.

    Although the C7 is almost completely software, even more so than the C6 (and even the C5 was somewhat software), so it's often just a quick firmware update at the dealer. That was the case with the tranny and transfer case recently on the '14s. Most of the technology developed for the C6 in the early '00s are now in all GMs (especially active handling and traction control), and old C6 powertrains are being recycled into new, non-Corvette products.
     
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    Was anyone here able to get anything other than a 4710??
     
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